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  •  I question the assertion that (5+ / 0-)
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    "a significant amount of the anger of Occupy Wall Street is directed at the Democratic Party".

    That is not my perception at all.  My perception is that OWS is  about the unregulated greed of Wall Street and the disastrous policies that have proceeded from that lack of regulation, and of their effect on all of us.

    And while there must be adherents to those policies among the Democratic Party's members, certainly the vast majority look to the Republican Party to maintin that status quo.

    I have seen no example where signs or protestors have singled out the Democratic Party for the onus of this situation, and have seen the sign which reads "This is NOT about Obama."

    Sorry, I just don't see it that way.  If anything, there is anger against the Republican Party. But I don't even think  OWS is about that.  

    Je travaille, tu travailles, il travaille, nous travaillons, ils profitent --- I work, you work, he works, we work, they profit.

    by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:20:20 AM PDT

    •  If I know Jesse (3+ / 0-)
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      He is angry at Obama, and Pelosi, and the rest of the Democrats.

      And for every ounce of anger at them he's got several tons for the Republicans.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:26:22 AM PDT

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      •  the statement wasn't by or attributed to MoT (1+ / 0-)
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        it was merely a general statement in the last paragraph above.  

        Je travaille, tu travailles, il travaille, nous travaillons, ils profitent --- I work, you work, he works, we work, they profit.

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:32:51 AM PDT

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      •  You are correct: disappointed vs. disgusted (4+ / 0-)
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        I get the feeling that Progressives are angry at the Democratic party because the Dems had an opportunity to do big things and they wasted it trying to be "nice."  Think where we would be today if, instead of compromising with the repuglicans, the administration had pushed harder for a public option, for more stimulus, more foreclosure relief, more controls on the banksters...you get the idea.  

        If the OWS folks aren't getting cozy with the Dems, it's because they have been disappointed by them.  They are disgusted--and furious--with the Republicans, though.  You are correct.

        •  The progressive opinion (4+ / 0-)

          is that the intersection of "possible" with "works" up above was rather large, and the administration "settled" for a point not too far into "possible".

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:42:06 AM PDT

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          •  Absolutely! (1+ / 0-)
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            I fear that the history books of the future will be using your Venn diagram to illustrate the lost opportunity our country had at the beginning of this administration.

            It is so frustrating to know the exact moment when a mistake was made and be powerless to change, or even correct it.  This is what Progressives see when they look back on the decision by Obama to embrace bipartisanship at any and all cost.  

            •  I suspect that Obama and Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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              got at least 2/3 of the maximum in the 2008 Venn. Too many blue dogs and / or conservadems. You can't expect any use of the "bully pulpit" to turn, e.g., Joe Lieberman into a liberal. There were at least 7 shaky votes in the Senate and probably 1/3 of the House caucus.

              In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

              by blue aardvark on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 10:16:03 AM PDT

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              •  Joe understands force. (0+ / 0-)

                Reid absolutely could have reined that toad in, but chose not to. The house blue dogs would have been tougher, but we could have made the effort.

                Corporations rule stealing money, legally. Time to take it back!

                by Diebold Hacker on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 11:29:40 AM PDT

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                •  The Joe who got primaried and lost in 2006? (0+ / 0-)

                  If he didn't understand that - and the evidence is that he got worse as a result - then everything Harry Reid could have done to him, multiplied by 10,000,000,000 and raised to the power 10,000,000,000 would have been ignored.

                  Take away his gavel? Fine, he's now a proud member of the GOP caucus. And if you look at the record of Congressional votes - yes, it matters quite a bit. There were a number of 60-40 cloture votes.

                  In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                  by blue aardvark on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 03:34:38 PM PDT

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                  •  That's the point. (0+ / 0-)

                    Reid could have changed the rules of the Senate on day one, right? By a simple majority rule. Then tuck asshole Joe in the basement. If he wants to go join the R's, let him and good riddance.

                    Before the session started there were a number of voices pleading with Reid to do exactly that.

                    Corporations rule stealing money, legally. Time to take it back!

                    by Diebold Hacker on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 05:11:45 PM PDT

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                    •  You say "change the rules of the Senate" (0+ / 0-)

                      as though it were a trivial decision.

                      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                      by blue aardvark on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 07:18:14 AM PDT

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                      •  50 votes + Biden, yes. (0+ / 0-)

                        I get that it would have been nearly impossible for this current batch of weak-kneed Dems to even consider. But there were plenty of people pointing out the benefits to doing so, and the dangers of not doing so. And it turns out that those people were correct. Again.

                        Corporations rule stealing money, legally. Time to take it back!

                        by Diebold Hacker on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 11:32:33 AM PDT

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        •  And you are justified.. (0+ / 0-)

          WRT: the financial institutions -- Obama is no different than Bush.  Obama got more money from the financial sector than McCain did in the last election cycle.

          The same people who where involved in the 2008 melt down; TARP; deregulation of banks and failure to enforce existing laws are still in positions of influence.  

          Bernanke, Geithner and others who where there when this mess started are still around and still have influence over current financial policy.

          I don't see a big change except people moving around to different jobs.

    •  the latest cheer/chant is (3+ / 0-)

      not left , not right. all amer-i-cans unite.

      i think its a good one.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:58:30 AM PDT

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