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  •  what to do about all this: (6+ / 0-)

    Protesters vs. cops is a diversion from the main issue: America vs. Wall Street.

    It's also one of the best routes for provocateurs to stir up violence and screw the movement.

    Don't get digressed and diverted.

    Flexibility of tactics is strength, rigidity is weakness.

    Therefore: if the hours at the park or whatever site, are e.g. 6AM to 8PM, occupy the place during those hours, then go home, rest up, plan the next day's actions, email the media & elected officials, etc., and show up again the next morning when the place is open.

    As far as any casual passers-by are concerned, y'all will still be there during 100% of open hours.

    And this mode of protest can be sustained forever, unlike 24/7 encampments.  Particularly as cold weather approaches: you do not want to see the protests appear to peter out because people can't sleep in the cold or are coming down with the flu or whatever.

    Also if you don't have a bunch of belongings to worry about at an encampment, you're a hell of a lot more free to do noisy marches, street theatre, and so on .

    Think smart - don't get stuck in a rut - thwart the provocateurs and keep America's attention on the real issues.

    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 01:46:33 AM PDT

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    •  G2geek--these are good suggestions and make (3+ / 0-)
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      sense.  It's not going to happen overnight (literally), so we need to be pragmatic at this point.  Things will evolve as we go along.  Should make a diary.

      "They are the best among us." -- Hedges on #occupywallst

      by livjack on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 06:07:23 AM PDT

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      •  yes, i should... (0+ / 0-)

        I was out socializing with friends all night, and now that I'm back at my desk, I have to compose routing tables for a PBX network, and then tomorrow evening I have a carrier cutover, and and and...

        But yeah, and soon, while the paradigms are still open.

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 01:50:03 AM PDT

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    •  Agreed G2geek. Don't get stuck in a tactic that (2+ / 0-)
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      may tie us up and limit our options.  The purpose of the rousting with all the sticks and boots and arrests is to terrorize the participants, discourage supporting or carrying on.  If the alternative of setting up the site daily is viable, then do it and carry on.  Avoid an unecessary confrontation.

      In many places it may not be as far along or smaller in scope than the events in Atlanta and Seattle and Boston which are large cities and have many thousands of people already fired up and willing to push to wherever the next stage takes them. In many other places, it is more embryonic, still a just started sort of stage.

      Before the next  big round, it may be the cities that are the furthest along may be consolidating and spreading the news of the nationwide character of the movement, until a number of places catch up in their involvement.

      If you think that you and a bunch of other people can just show up on Wall St, camp out and have any effect whatsoever, you're dreaming. *YUP!* h/t Hamden Rice

      by BeeDeeS on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 07:27:56 AM PDT

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      •  the key to this part is: (1+ / 0-)
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        The purpose of a sit-in is either:

        a) to demand a right to be in a place where you have an absolutely unambiguous and non-arguable moral claim of having a right to be, for example black folks sitting at a lunch counter, or in any seat they choose on a bus.


        b) to block access to something in order to further a very specific demand, for example Goldman Sachs' lobby in order to demand that they be prosecuted for fraud.  


        A sit-in that just occupies a piece of turf isn't either of those and runs the risk of becoming mired in a digression: for example a public park after closing hours.  

        The people who have a substantial moral claim to do that, would be those who were foreclosed and turned out of their houses onto the street, and their supporters.  But that's also furtherance of a specific demand, which is an end to mass foreclosures, and the moral position that the particular combination of thousands of empty homes falling into disrepair and thousands of homeless families, is a moral obscenity that is impermissible in a civilized society.  

        That's a different position and statement than just taking a piece of turf as a symbolic statement of a long list of generalities.  

        The latter can as well be accomplished by occupying the ground during the park's open hours, and then leaving every night at closing time and coming back the next morning at opening time.  That removes the potential for a "protesters vs. cops" digression and keeps the focus on the list of issues at stake.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 01:59:31 AM PDT

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