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  •  Your 4 unifying tenets are not universal (5+ / 0-)

    Not all Christians have a trinitarian view of God.  Examples throughout history include Arianism, Adoptionism, and Unitarianism.  The notion of sola scriptura is disputed by Catholics and Orthodox.

    •  They are universal among (2+ / 0-)
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      Timaeus, ravagerofworlds2

      Christians. Acceptance of the Trinity IMO is the bare minimum requirement to being a Christian.

      Sola Scriptura is a Protestant feature, Catholics basing thier beliefs of Scripture, Holy Tradition and the teaching of the Church working in concert.

    •  Arians, Adoptionists, and Unitarians, are (1+ / 0-)
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      not Christians.  They may be wonderful people, but they're not Christians.

      It is simply not true that there are Christians who are not trinitarian.

      People believe all sorts of things.  I met a guy a few years ago who is a tenured professor of Christian theology at a major university in the Washington, D.C. area.  He was giving a speech to a group of scientists.  He claims to be a Christian.  At the same time, he is an atheist. He does not believe in God.  He does not believe Jesus was divine and is not sure Jesus even existed. He does not believe in the resurrection.  Of course he doesn't believe in the virgin birth, the miracles, or anything in the creed.

      And yet, he claims to be a "Christian."  Many people here, who don't take religious beliefs seriously, think he's a Christian if he claims to be.  I think that's obviously ridiculous.

      It is a do things about injustice.... It helps to have a goal. I've always tried to have one.--Ted Kennedy, True Compass

      by Timaeus on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 03:55:24 PM PDT

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      •  There are Unitarians who claim to be Christian (0+ / 0-)

        and Unitarians who don't. YOU aren't allowed to tell THEM what THEY can call THEMSELVES. It ain't YOUR call.

        Your "tenured professor" acquaintance sounds like he follows the religion of Christ - that is, what he thinks Christ taught and believed and wanted his followers to emulate. This is often called "not Christianity" by those who follow the various religions about Christ, to whom a set of established dogmas are more important than words or deeds.

        Aren't we all arguing over will-o'-the-wisps anyway?

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:08:46 PM PDT

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        •  straw man (0+ / 0-)

          I'm sorry, but pointing out the Institutional response to poseurs is not about individuals saying what something is or is not, its about an organizational response to groups misusing a typology of beliefs, values and practices. The metric was set up long ago, and either you measure up or you don't go on the ride.

          Example: Sony Music corporation makes a specific brand of earphones for the iPod. Some group of people on the streets of New York are selling earphones for an iPod in a package that says Sony manufactured them. A Sony rep notices the items and does not recognize the packaging or the quality of the product as Sony's. They know the items are a fraud and misusing the Sony label.

          Above Grecian mantles were chiseled these words... Know Thyself... Nothing in Excess... the pop philosophy of its day.

          by ravagerofworlds2 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 12:57:29 PM PDT

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