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  •  No (8+ / 0-)

    Hell no.

    This is a pacifist movement.

    A show of force is neither needed or desired.

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 08:25:00 AM PDT

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    •  Who elected you king? (0+ / 0-)

      Not I.

      I am a pacifist: don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you.

      But just because I am a pacifist does not mean I am a dope or a sap: Get in my face and suffer the consequences.

      At a certain point, it IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.

      When do we reach that point?

      The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

      by RedDan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 08:28:03 AM PDT

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      •  Because at a certain point (2+ / 0-)
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        the "99%" protesting downtown have to realize that the REAL "99%" (a lot of whom are watching this with some interest) are poorer, more desperate, less well-educated, less well-mannered, and less willing to take shit from pigs than most of you folks getting your heads bashed.

        When the twitter calls and flash mobs start calling in reinforcements from the lumpenproles, you'd better start figuring a way to deal with the fact that they've been living the conditions you are protesting for the least 3 or 4 decades, and they really have nothing to lose.

        You want a revolution? Deal with violence. Learn to use it.

        The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

        by RedDan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 08:31:28 AM PDT

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      •  You are no pacifist. Not even a shadow of one. (1+ / 0-)
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        enemy of the people

        You are a  bully.

        Clear and simple from what you say about violence and how you respond to others

        "who made you king?"

        "the real 99%"

        "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

        by Damnit Janet on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 10:09:20 AM PDT

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        •  You are very much missing my point... (1+ / 0-)
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          mostly due to my own laziness and poor phrasing.

          My point is twofold: 1) Cops beat up peaceful protestors (and bystanders) at an anti-wallstreet occupation, and ignore gun-carrying, spitting thugs at an anti-Democratic-Politician near-riot... it speaks volumes about what's happening to our society in general. The "where are the 2nd Amendment Liberals" was mostly sarcasm.

          2) On a much, much more serious level, the issue of violence IS going to rear its head, and in far more direct and acute ways than some out of control cops pepperspraying or baton-bashing people on the street. First, because if the occupation(s) get larger and more prominent, the cops will start really busting heads. Second, because as those occupations get larger, more prominent and more successful, they WILL attract a much larger cross section of the Dispossessed in our society. Many of us are not committed to non-violence. Many of us are not educated in the power of non-violent resistance. Many of us respond to violence with violence.

          That will be a big, big problem.

          It really does bear serious thought and consideration.

          I truly do understand why and how non-violence has worked in the past and can work now and in the future... but I am not naive or blind, and know full well that nearly every protest movement and revolution is accompanied by violence. Usually perpetrated or provoked by those representing regression or the status quo, but not always.

          How will you deal with it? Have you talked about it? Do you discuss ways to prevent it? Coopt it? Bypass it? Channel it?

          Those are very important discussions -- ones that can make or break a successful protest movement.

          The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

          by RedDan on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 11:28:14 AM PDT

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