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  •  What helped Beethoven (6+ / 0-)
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    Boxer7, Loge, esquimaux, x, SherwoodB, bluicebank

    completely change the game from the old patronage system was the growth of a real middle class in Europe.  Beethoven had one foot in the patronage system, one foot out, and he despised the nobility.  Part of that is political, but I'm sure part of it is all the failed romances he had with the daughters of the nobility, whom he had a thing for.  He liked purty countesses and they liked him, but to the noble class in general, he was just a commoner and a yutz.

    •  a link to a great performance of the C Minor (4+ / 0-)
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      Dumbo, x, SherwoodB, Barbara Marquardt

       great stuff, Dumbo.

         Btw - here is a performance of the C Minor I found on You Tube.  One of the really enjoyable aspects of this performance is the exuberance and passion Bernstein brings to this rendition.  

         Bernstein was unabashed in his admiration and love of Beethoven - so it is really fun to watch him lose himself in this symphony:

      •  Yup. Talking about the Fifth Symphony (3+ / 0-)
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        Boxer7, x, SherwoodB

        was like his second full time job.  He did a very good Fifth, more in the "eccentric/interpretive" mold.  (Interesting that he has a beard in that clip.)

        •  another quick comment (3+ / 0-)
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          Dumbo, x, SherwoodB

            the Andante con molto - the 2nd movement - is just breathtaking.

             Like you, I am amazed at the amount of attention given the first movement - when the 2nd movement never fails to leave me slack jawed.  It really is remarkable.  

             To my mind, the thing that leaves me most in awe about the symphony is how well these two movements build the foundation for the 3rd/4th [given how Beethoven flaunted tradtion and ran them together].

          •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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            x, SherwoodB

            Without the Andante movement, the succeeding third movement would be too much minor key grim in one big lump.  Beethoven must have deliberately tried to make it as unlike the first movement as he could, to set up the contrast.  And that's pretty much the standard in all symphonies, where a slow movement is given the job of creating the contrast to balance things.

    •  he needed Archduke Rudolph (2+ / 0-)
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      SherwoodB, Dumbo

      because he was otherwise really bad with people.  Not all of the publishers cared for him, and his piano sheet music was really too difficult to sell, especially his late sonatas.  Can you imagine some Jane Austen character sitting at her spinnet and pulling out the Hammerklavier, or even the Tempest?

      the late string quartets -- that is art for arts sake.

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 07:33:19 AM PDT

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