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  •  I'm not sure, nor did you seem to explain, (4+ / 0-)

    your repeated hits on the far left.

    Being in the far left, and having been trained in the sciences myself, I am curious to learn of my far left sin!

    Oh do tell!

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 11:27:03 PM PDT

    •  Wondering this myself (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm guessing the author was referring to the anti-vaccine crowd. I hear a lot of similar arguments from them as the right uses against climate science.

      Just a guess.! The climate can't wait.

      by B Amer on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 11:52:28 PM PDT

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    •  I have to agree, each time I read that line it (5+ / 0-)

      was jarring - because as a 50 year old, who has followed science (and science-based speculative fiction) since the 1970s (from Hadron Colliders in Europe to the birth of an actual, although flawed, return-space-vehicle program at NASA to the Hubble telescope showing us images from the far past via relativity), and who has also spent a lot of time investing in education on all things political, during that same time frame...

      I don't recall any single far left groups who are science deniers.

      The only truly 'loony' far-left groups that I can think of are the Anarchists - but I"m not even sure that they qualify as "Left". They sort of occupy a zone somewhere not Left or Right, but somewhere entirely different, in a place where there are no rules of any sort, either logical (science-based) or irrational (faith-based).

      Other than that, this was quite an interesting read.

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      by Angie in WA State on Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 11:59:59 PM PDT

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    •  Oh come on guys! Ever hear of post-modernism? (8+ / 0-)

      Ever hear of Stalin's crushing of science with Lysenkoism?

      Ever talked to a semiotics professor or the ditzos calling science entirely a "narrative of oppression" imposed by white-eurocentric phallo-macho imperialists?

      Jeez, can you name more than five campuses in America where the pink literature depts will grant tenure to an expert in the most American of all literary genres, sci fi?

      Sure, the left is different than the right. For one thing, the right is utterly disciplined, marchin to the same tune and people on the left are diverse and harder to herd than cats.  Today that is.  You should read up about the 1930s!

      Okay, so the "far left" is an extremely diverse landscape and maybe your kind is moderate, pro-science, willing to admit that progress has happened... a lot of it! And hence science and markets can join with decent regulations to prevent oligarchy and with good social programs to stimulate more human progress!  

      Is that you?

      Um... doesn't that make you a LIBERAL?

      Guys, please, learn to tell the difference. Liberals ARE NOT LEFTISTS!

      Fer crayin out loud, read this:

      Things to repeat: "CITOKATE -- Criticism Is The Only Known Antidote to Error." "IAAMOAC -- I Am A Member of a Civilization"

      by David Brin on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 01:05:22 AM PDT

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      •  History Not Taught In American Schools (1+ / 0-)
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        The problem is that history is taught spottily in American schools these days.  I suspect that anybody who went to college post mid-1970s hasn't got a clue about what you've posted, DB.  After that last oil shock and the rise of Reagan, most of the interest in post-secondary education was in those areas which could guarantee a cushy job in the financial sector.  It was all utilitarian and oriented toward either business or computer sciences.  Classes (and thereby interest in the departments) which didn't contribute toward completing curriculum credit hours were taken only at gunpoint.  Could anyone in America argue that education these days valued for its own sake?  

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 05:01:39 AM PDT

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    •  I've been around the "far left" for a long time (2+ / 0-)
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      Since we crazies actually sought to agitate for civil rights and and end to the Vietnam War. I don't remember much anti-science rhetoric--other than a lot of protest over military-funded science and so on. Sure there have been a lot of irrational even highly neurotic individuals that the far-left can attract but no less so that those who, say, support the center.

      For example, it was those of us who respected science that advocated for real HCR based on science and reason. There was a lot of data that was completely ignored by the American media and the Administration. If anything, as a group, the center/center-right advocates for the current administration seem more anti-science than the far left.

    •  well... (0+ / 0-)

      once in a while, diaries pop up on Daily Kos that illustrate David's point perfectly. For a larger picture, however, read this diary.

      And yeah, republished to Science Matters.

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