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  •  You're right, we should use the power of the State (0+ / 0-)

    to force them to sponsor speakers that they are in disagreement with. Then, we should say that  it is strictly right-wing fear mongering when they tell the populace that if their state approves gay marriage, their church will be forced to perform gay weddings. Then we should file lawsuits against churches that don't perform gay weddings and hire atheists to speak to their congregation. That would be just defending our rights.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:11:16 PM PDT

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    •  The sponsoring group (6+ / 0-) fully in agreement with the speaker.  You should read the article in question.  

      And nobody's forcing a church to perform gay weddings--but if they rent out their church hall to non-congregation-member straight couples for a wedding reception, they're going to do the same thing for same-sex wedding receptions, or they're going to pay the price.

      America, we can do better than this...

      by Randomfactor on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:18:21 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly. This is why ... (0+ / 0-)

        my parish is probably the only house of worship in our city that doesn't have any 12-step meetings. Historically, 12-step groups do not accept donated space.* But if you rent out space, you are running a public accommodation.

        12-Step groups like to keep the lines clear. They are just renting the space and do not change their rules or traditions according to where they meet. No dues are charged, but those who are able chip in to cover the rental fee, coffee fund, and such.

        My parish also is one of maybe 3 churches in the  city that welcome and affirm LGBT members. We are smack in the middle of fundie land so we do not want to take any risk that we could get stuck renting to some gay bashing group.

        We provide free space to a hot-lunch program for homeless people and others in need. However, it is sponsored by our diocese. There's a second site, and it is ... another Episcopal parish hall/kitchen.

        *The parish no-rentals policy has been in place for many years. It's possible 12-step policy has changed during that time, but I'm not aware of such a change.

        Just because you're not a drummer doesn't mean that you don't have to keep time. -- T. Monk

        by susanala on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 06:57:38 PM PDT

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    •  I almost (0+ / 0-)

      took you at your word--your satire is a little too close to real-life political correctness!

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