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  •  "..a community that doesn't need the distraction." (0+ / 0-)

    Discussion of misogyny and sexism in the atheist community is not a "distraction." It is LONG overdue. ElevatorGate was simply the most severe eruption. If you're a woman who doesn't feel there's anything wrong in the community, bully for you. You don't speak for all of us.

    First, hotel elevators (and hallways) all have cameras that are constantly monitored by staff, especially at night.
    How long would it have taken the monitoring guard to get to the elevator? Long enough for an assault to take place first.
    Asking someone for coffee may be boorish, but it's not an indication that someone is a rapist.
    Not the point. Also, please to be distinguishing "rapist" from "rape culture," in which it's considered OK to disregard women's wishes and put them in awkward to uncomfortable to alarming positions in the interest of getting laid. That contributes to the concept that women exist for men's convenience.

    I repeat: McGraw is a big girl who can speak up for herself. I have seen a lot nastier exchanges and arguments in the blogosphere than what you describe.

    I wasn't referring to McGraw when I called out your "normal" comment, but, for the record, I think McGraw's feminism leaves something to be desired. I don't really give a shit if that makes me "intolerant." I see too many women, especially young women who have a lot of unlearning to do, who say all kinds of problematic things, then whinge about the "intolerance" of "those radical militant feminists" when called on them. I'm hardly a radfem; I'm not anti-porn or anti-transgender, nor am I a gender essentialist. I just have very low tolerance for nonsense masquerading as something else.

    It's cultural prejudice to be horrified by the treatment of women in fundamentalist Muslim countries?
    Strawman. "Muslimah" refers to all Muslim women, not merely those in Islamicist countries. And, trust me, they do not want him speaking for them. As I said elsewhere here, I am normally skeptical of theistic feminists, especially those in Abrahamic religions, but given how racism affects the perceptions of Muslims in the West (despite some actually being white), I back them up on this.

    Finally, having advocated for equality does not give anybody a free pass on being an asshole. Dawkins does not have to be an MRA or an anti-choicer to be harboring some rather obnoxious assumptions about what "should" matter to women and what "should not."

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