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  •  Because change that sticks comes in increments (0+ / 0-)

    (Other than outright revolutions, of course).

    And the failure of people to understand that, and their consequent abandonment of the fight is what led to 2010, and the attempt to modify the ACA out of existence.

    We were NEVER going to get medicare for all for ourselves; had we not abandoned the fight, we stood an excellent chance of getting it for our children.

    Instead we've abandoned the health care fight to people who will roll back what progress was made, and then complain that we didn't get it all in one go.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 12:05:36 PM PDT

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    •  That's bull (2+ / 0-)
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      rcnewton, Johnny Nucleo

      When you start with a false premise- that change that sticks comes in increments- your argument loses any merit.  Any what is an increment anyway?  Let me guess- you get to define that, right?  Why isn't lowering Medicare eligibility an incremental change?  Or allowing people to buy in?  Incremental change can only be defined by the ultimate goal.  

      And to blame the American people for the failure of ACA is the kind of pathetic misdirection that apologists for the status quo frequently use.  The Dems control one house of congress and the executive.  This is their law.  And yet the dismantling is the fault of the people.  Pathetic and unconvincing.

    •  There was a fight? (2+ / 0-)
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      rcnewton, jarbyus

      The fight was thrown in a back room before the Main Event

      That was no "fight".

      But, be that as it may, there doesn't seem to be any fight going on right this minute either, to preserve and protect even the incremental gains of the ACA.

      Go back to the Community Health Centers. Those were or could have been a big deal. That was the wrinkle that got Bernie Sanders to sign on even though he though the majority of the bill was a major disappointment.

      The way I see it is that even the good parts of a disappointing bill are being whittled away. What will be left?

      The Republicans are fighting hard to dismantle, and dismember. They have announced openly that they will try to kill off the rest of it through waivers, reconciliation and budget resolutions. Whose gonna stop them?

      Where's the pushback?

      You know why the American people don't have Obama and the Dem's back on this? Because most of them have not experienced a positive result of the bill being passed in the first place.

      Only the poor with ill children appreciate CHIP. Most of the adult population with pre-exisitng conditions couldn't afford the high risk pools, although in the states where the Feds run the program that has been helped somewhat with lower rates, but most people don't even know that.

      Yes, people with older children out of college got to keep them on the family plan. That's very nice. That is the major point cited by people when they are asked if they have been helped by ACA so far. So outside of that group most haven't felt it at all except to think that the higher rates they are paying for healthcare are somehow related to ACA.

      This is very very bad for President Obama because ACA was his "signature" piece of legislation and it is going down with mostly a whimper.

      I get no joy from this. My husband and I pay a huge percentage of our income for COBRA right this minute and when it ends we will probably not have insurance.
      I was incredibly invested in HCR and still am.

      Yes, I was angry about the half-assed incremental profit preserving pushed out piece meal legislation that we got, but now they are not even fighting to protect that?! What the heck am I supposed to think about what is going on here?

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