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  •  There is a significant difference (6+ / 0-)

    If someone voluntarily attended this program and was free to leave, I don't think you can lump that in with bullying; bullying pretty much implies that someone was the subject of unwanted abuse.

    The key could be whether people were actually free to leave.

    •  The diary implies that people couldn't leave (4+ / 0-)

      on their own.  I don't know whether this is the same as an addiction clinic where you sign yourself in for a period of time, including a voluntary incarceration, but perhaps each of these "treatment centers" has to be considered on a case by case basis.  If someone is there involuntarily, there ought to be some legal recourse.  If they were committed there by their parents, I'd think a legal recourse could be based on child abuse, considering the treatments described.  You'd need a pretty open-minded jury, though I have heard these exist even in Utah.

      •  I think it implies that they could (3+ / 0-)
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        ColoTim, FrugalGranny, bythesea

        They just "had" to go through some BS fake funeral first, where they were subjected to more persuasion.  If someone were to push the issue, I'd think it would come down to whether they were forcibly detained in some way.

        It's all pretty vague/theoretical at this point; is there an actual case where someone committed suicide after going through one of these programs?  Obviously, it can be a little difficult to discuss all of the various potential facts when it's something that hasn't even happened yet.

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