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  •  Sorry, disagree 100% (1+ / 0-)
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    If it's going to come up, it should be organic to the story.  
    Saying, "oh, we couldn't think of an organic way to incorporate and acknowledge LGBT existence in 200,000,000 TV episodes and countless films" is a cop-out.

    He's really saying he has very, very limited imagination.

    His worldview is so narrow he can't imagine an "organic" way to weave in an LGBT person?

    Even though storytellers all over Hollywood in all sorts of genres, including SciFi manage to do it (see Torchwood, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, I could go on...)

    At this point, far more people have now been arrested for protesting Wall Street's mortgage fraud crimes than have been for committing and presiding over them.

    by Scott Wooledge on Mon Oct 17, 2011 at 01:49:58 PM PDT

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    •  So why do it? (0+ / 0-)

      Simply to say that we've checked off a box that Star Trek did the gay thing?  There was a reason once to push for gay visibility on TV and in the movies.  I think we've achieved that.  (Mission Accomplished?).  I'm all for gentle encouragement for more of the same.  And, in this case, it would be a nice "hat tip" to a supportive group of fans.

      But I'm not going to beat their heats over it.

      •  There's a lot of LGBT Trekkies (2+ / 0-)
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        it would please. It appears they don't care about that. I guess you don't either.

        At this point, far more people have now been arrested for protesting Wall Street's mortgage fraud crimes than have been for committing and presiding over them.

        by Scott Wooledge on Mon Oct 17, 2011 at 03:01:20 PM PDT

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        •  You're right that I don't care much (0+ / 0-)

          I don't know how much more clearly I can state it; if they go there, great, I'm all for it.  But, I'm much more interested in the entertainment value than being the platform for an afterschool special.  And, having seen the success that GLAAD, for example, has had over the past couple decades - and anyone who doesn't see it just isn't looking around - I refuse to wring my hands over it in the context of a Star Trek movie.  

      •  There's still a reason to push for gay visibility. (2+ / 0-)
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        How many more gay teens have to commit suicide before you realize gay people aren't anywhere near as visible as is necessary?

        •  And even without the suicides, (2+ / 0-)
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          it's pretty useful for someone to have well-known fictional characters to point at when coming out to someone who hasn't had significant contact with many (or any) GLBT people who were out enough for that person to know - or to use as a 'what are your thoughts about [character]?' opinion-testing maneuver before deciding to come out to that person.

          Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

          by Cassandra Waites on Mon Oct 17, 2011 at 04:17:28 PM PDT

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          •  Even better, it normalizes LGBT issues (2+ / 0-)
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            One thing I see over and over and over again in interviews with and blog posts by SF and fantasy authors who treat LGBT relationships as normal is how grateful their readers are for something, anything, that doesn't act as if being gay or transgendered is wrong or freakish.   Some have even gotten notes from teenagers saying "you saved my life" because Herewisse or Seregil or Vanyel or Tamir or Regis was the first time they had ever seen a queer character who wasn't evil, perverted, a stereotype, or mentally ill.  

            If the authors can do it, so can the TV series.  That Star Trek, which originally made a deliberate point of including multiple races and ethnicities in its cast, hasn't yet included an LGBT character or relationship, is not good at all.

            •  I picked up Magic's Pawn freshman year (0+ / 0-)

              of college. I spent the year forcing myself to figure out what I really thought about Vanyel - I'd known people in high school who had come out, but they generally immediately distanced themselves from me because my church had a reputation I didn't know about for being homophobic as all get out.

              It helped that I didn't figure out Vanyel was gay until the page where Vanyel figured it out. I was already emotionally invested in the character and couldn't just put the book on the shelf and walk away.

              That summer, I was one of the people one of my friends called before he came out to his parents, and I didn't have to fumble through figuring out my beliefs while trying to offer emotional support to him thanks to that book.

              Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

              by Cassandra Waites on Tue Oct 18, 2011 at 05:43:01 PM PDT

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            •  I remember reading that JK Rowling said... (0+ / 0-)

              ...after she revealed Dumbledore was gay that if she knew the reaction was going to be as happy of one as it was that she would've said something about it sooner than she did.

    •  He's also a hypocrite (0+ / 0-)

      The asexual character in the TNG episode that was the closest Trek has ever come to dealing with LGBT issues was originally supposed to be played by a man.  The studio and showrunners (one of whom was Braga) insisted that the part be played by a woman, and despite Jonathan Frakes protesting mightily, they held firm.

      Really gutted the whole point.

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