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  •  Check Your Assumptions at the Door (none)
    I'm very well aware of both the concept of cognitive dissonance and the practical reality of it.

    No, you think you are.

    What I didn't do was tell the kids they were idiots if they thought otherwise.

    Neither did this professor. She pointed out that they could not justify the war and their opposition to abortion as moral absolutist positions. They exploded at her. This type of conservative self-ids very strongly as moral absolutists.

    I've seen cognitive dissonance in my students, and I respond by pointing out what I think is sound in their reasoning, but also identify the assumptions that they haven't justified and why there are problems remaining.

    Then you haven't dealt with serious cases of cognitive dissonance. Doing this to someone with a serious case would result in an even more violent reaction.

    If you understand cognitive dissonance, then you really need to realize how to get around it. There are actual tactics for dealing with it.

    Yes, and those tactics involve getting the person spitting mad and then letting them stew.

    I take it from your non-answer earlier that you have never taught, at least not at the college level.

    Wow. It's amazing how many unfounded assumptions college professors are making these days... Perhaps I simply don't like giving out personal information online? Or didn't notice the question?

    Monsters think it's all right to be a monster, after all. - Hitherby Dragons

    by RHunter on Wed Mar 30, 2005 at 05:42:46 AM PST

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    •  just terrible (none)
      I should resist responding, but can't.

      How would you know if I understood cognitive dissonance well or merely thought so? In fact, I've studied it quite a bit and told you what you don't appear to know: there are well-known techniques for getting past it so that people get less defensive under the stress of self-contradiction and can more easily adopt new views. This is a well-understood field.

      I pointed some of these technique out to you and you never acknowledged them. Getting a person mad and letting them stew is NOT a good idea unless you have first gained the person's friendship or respect, and even then most people don't know how to finesse it. What research on cognitive dissonance are you reading that indicates enragement is a good way to overcome it? Please share if you actually have information. If not, shut up, because you don't know what you're talking about.

      Finally, you make a basic error in your last response, common among college students. When I wrote that "I take it from your non-answer that you have never taught," I was pointing to a conclusion, not an assumption. I did not start with this belief, but first came to it after reading the first post I responded to. Then, when you didn't reply that you did teach and kept going on in what I regard to be a mostly ignorant way, I was more confident of my conclusion.

      Note that I'm not saying you are a college student, just that you made the same mistake I've seen many times in them. And since I've got a Ph.D., you must respect my views even when I insult you and accuse you of thinking something stupid, right? In fact, according to your view, this is a great way to get you to see how stupid you are. Isn't that the principle you're defending here?

      How well is it working on you? Look at how I've asserted authority on the basis of my Ph.D. in Philosophy and dismissed your views, and notice what reaction that caused in you. The professor you're defending did the same thing to her class. Still think it's a good idea?

      I believe you find yourself in a paradoxical situation right now, my son. Sadly, I think you're too worked up to recognize it.

      the spirit is restored by wounding

      by jd in nyc on Wed Mar 30, 2005 at 06:12:38 PM PST

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      •  folks, step back a minute (none)
        It's all fine and good to say these whiny conservatives might have been handled better, whatever. But keep in mind that now they are living in a country where in the very near future they will be able to to VERY MUCH MORE than just whine. They will be able to exact legal terrorism, probably with the help of numerous overly-encouraging republican foundations, against any professor who looks at them funny. They will be able to financially destroy people.

        The conservative side has become the ideal home for bullies of all sorts, and incidents like those described in this post, which could be dismissed or forgiven in the last 20 years, must now be taken more seriously in the context of new McCarthyism.

        •  you surprised me (none)
          I thought this discussion was only being read by RHunter and I, since it had long since slipped off the main page. I definitely wasn't doing it for public edification at this point.

          Anyway, I completely agree with this comment:

          The conservative side has become the ideal home for bullies of all sorts, and incidents like those described in this post, which could be dismissed or forgiven in the last 20 years, must now be taken more seriously in the context of new McCarthyism.

          My original intent wasn't to dismiss them, but to suggest a constructive way to prevent them in a classroom setting. Nothing I said had anything to do with a general political approach to the problems we face or the kinds of social policies that would counteract them.

          the spirit is restored by wounding

          by jd in nyc on Wed Mar 30, 2005 at 08:39:59 PM PST

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          •  if you want private conversatin (none)
            use email...
            •  this is easier (none)
              and I really thought it caused no offense or harm to others, because no one would read it. In any case, I do think the points that I make about pedagogy are sound, so if anyone cares about that small part of the overall discussion in this diary my comments were not frivolous or without wider interest.

              the spirit is restored by wounding

              by jd in nyc on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 04:52:22 AM PST

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