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  •  Another conservative approach (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, wsexson

    So, in your view, at least according to the argument are making- unless someone is under debt,they can't make the right  decision about their education? I find your argument to be rationalization typical of the American  middle class that adds to its decline by turning being treated like a door  mat into a virtue. Asian countries do not expect their kids to take on crushing debt. Are you saying they are less productive than your kids?

    •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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      In fact Asian kids are all over all their universities - both Asian and Americans of Asian descent. Whether they pay or not, they get that education. It has to do with respect for education, which simply isn't that prevalent in this current generation of Americans.

      An American kid would DIE going through a Chinese school. They are insanely strict and require twice as much work, twice as many hours, from a very young age. Teachers are very highly paid as well, and are highly respected. So yes, government is investing in the kids, but they're also imposing a very single minded focus on their lives from a young age.

      I'm not a conservative politicallly, but I guess I am somewhat small c conservative in my value system. I would prefer debt free education = IF there was a way to ensure the hardest effort from the kids. Given our existing culture, that won't work with the kids we have. I do think a certain level of debt incentivizes a kid to work hard and be realistic about his education.

      •  Asian countries! Not Asian kids in America (1+ / 0-)
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        Mr Robert

        An American kid had the education he does because of your mindset that pols

        You admite to the important part, but some how thing that proves you right adding extraneous material about number of hours. We don't want to pay for any education. That's the whole fucking point.

        •  Oh, that's the point? (1+ / 0-)
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          Rich in PA

          We pay for plenty of education. 12 years of it for every American kid. Then if they go to state universities, or to a CUNY here in NY, they can get an excellent education for a modest investment. And even our state universities are so good that kids come here from countries with better early ed systems - to enjoy our culture and the style of free thinking they don't get at home. I know this because I know lots of these kids. My son at UConn is the only American PhD student in the math dept. And he's my main source of info about how poorly prepared, unmotivated and self important most American undergrads are.

           It would be great if really excellent students could get even higher subsidies, but that doesn't seem to be what you're talking about. I think (hard to tell) what you're talking about is just free education for all, in whatever they want to do, whatever feeds their head.That will never happen - here or anywhere.

          Our educational system is weak because it's too easy and undsiciplined. We can't take a generation of lazy video game playing kids and tell them to go enjoy 4 years of doing whatever turns them on - for free. Or would it be limited to 4 years in your grand scheme?

          •  We pay last than most countried do for education (0+ / 0-)

            and get less results because of how the system is structured. I honestly think many of you are completely clueless on this issue and its like talking to a wall. It would take you very little time to Google this subject.

      •  Another tiger mom? (0+ / 0-)

        Honesty pays, but it doesn't seem to pay enough to suit some people. Kin Hubbard

        by Mr Robert on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 09:07:51 PM PDT

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