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  •  'Absentee landlord' was a figure of speech, (0+ / 0-)

    referring to the 'property owner' as a nameless, faceless corporation.

    I'm having trouble understanding the remainder of your post, because of what must be some typos. But I'll take a stab at your points.

    I don't see OWS ending up like the FR. Each revolutionary period confronts its own specific material conditions. 1789 France was predominantly agrarian; 2011 America is predominantly urban-industrial. My point was that revolutions can start out being about one thing and turn into being about another thing while in progress. In the case of OWS, the entire notion of 'private property' vs. 'public space' has surfaced in ways unthinkable just 35 days ago. Your earlier posts seem to suggest you think preserving bourgeois property rights a worthwhile project. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the property rights of some corporation when its interests are directly opposed to the people's.

    •  there was one typo (0+ / 0-)

      if you don't know who or what else I mentioned, you are not qualified to discuss the French Revolution.  I fully agree they start out one way and end up another, but that might not be a good thing.

      i do believe in defending bourgeois property rights because I don't see an opposition to "the people's" (as you put it) rights.

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 10:14:06 AM PDT

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      •  Here's what you originally wrote: (0+ / 0-)

        "if you see this ending up like the FR, good luck selling this notion to today's Girondists or the Sans-Culottes.  Marie Antoniette wen't their route, as did Robespierre and Danton."


        Aside from the obvious error of the apostrophe in "wen't," you have an unclear pronoun reference in the 'their' that immediately follows. Are you saying that Marie Antoinette went the same route as the San-Culottes or, perish the notion, the Girondists? If so, neither I nor any historian of the French Revolution would have any idea what you are talking about.

        I suspect what you meant to say is that Marie Antoinette, Robespierre and Danton all went to the guillotine to meet their maker, although what that has to do with the San-Culottes or the Girondists escapes me, other than that the SC were the shock troops of the Jacobins. (Merely tossing around the names of various factions and persons in the French National Assembly also does not necessarily qualify someone to discuss the FR.)

        If you don't see an opposition between bourgeois property rights and the Occupiers laying claim to the physical space in Zucotti Park, no amount of argument by me or appeals to common sense will convince you of it.  

        •  Route to the guillotine. (0+ / 0-)

          Belonging to the revolution.  The only use of their that makes any sense.  The point was that revolutions have a way of getting out of hand, with moderates and radicals equally getting the axe.

          I see a conflict in the short term between uses of a common space.  But that is not what i said, is it?  The point is a group. Opposed to property rights in general abandons its right to speak for the people or the rule of law.  Is the problem with wall st that they have money, or, as i thought, all the things they and the government did to bring it about?

          "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

          by Loge on Sun Oct 23, 2011 at 08:42:19 AM PDT

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          •  I think it's a combination of both. Too much (0+ / 0-)

            wealth is concentrated in too few hands and the symbiotic relationship between Wall St. and the government conspires to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few and at the expense of the masses.

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