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    the WWP tried to dominate at first, and then dropped into the background when they couldn't. The ISO stuck it out, and kept pushing for more hierarchical organization, like police liaisons and marshals. They didn't get their way and even complained about it to the press - there was a Village Voice interview right before September 17 which entirely consisted of an ISO guy complaining about the anarchists not letting them have marshalls and so on. Then I was told that after the first week of the actual occupation, orders went out from ISO central command to cease their participation. Some of them were so outraged by this that they refused orders and stayed. I don't know if those guys are still in the party or what the official ISO line is now.

    Fortunately we only had to deal with the Stalinists and one branch of Trotskyists - we never had to deal with the Sparts or any guys like that. But I'm only talking about the organizations. For me, what you want to call your preferred vision of a free society - socialism, anarchy, libertarian communism, whatever - is entirely your own business.

    •  Thanks for taking the time to answer this (4+ / 0-)
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      Creosote, Larsstephens, elwior, martini

      I like your diaries, david, and have been following them. I've definitely had my issues with authoritarian groups that wanted this kind of hierarchy, and I am glad to hear you didn't take on the issue of police liaisons (wow, ridiculous).

      "This movement is not about the destruction of law, it is about the construction of law." - Julian Assange

      by mahakali overdrive on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 01:06:50 PM PDT

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    •  ISO's online rag is featuring it (3+ / 0-)
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      socialistworker.org (I refuse to hyperlink it) has about a dozen stories front and center of its main page talking about how great it is.

      Frustratingly they also have some of the best analysis, as usual- but of course for their own tyrannical ends.  For example in one of the articles-

      THE ENEMIES of the Occupy movement--and even some of its self-proclaimed friends--sneer at activists for their supposed lack of demands.

      That misses the point. As in Wisconsin, the very act of occupying a public space and asserting the freedom to speak out was a powerful magnet

      Which is completely right and hardly anyone else says it.

      The ISO is a confusing one; their organization is a cult but their paper is excellent.  Nonetheless I try to stay away because it's probably a trick.

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