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  •  I'd like to see the report but the link (0+ / 0-)

    from the page you sent me to is broken.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Mon Oct 24, 2011 at 06:41:07 PM PDT

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    •  You can't access it unless your a member (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think you can access NACE's reports unless your a member. But they come directly from colleges and employers with the self-selection bias from a place like Pay-Scale. Stats from individual colleges and research reports are far and away superior to any self-reporting scale like payscale. And even pay-scale says business majors make more:

      Major                             Starting    Median

      International business: $41,600 - $83,700
      Business: $41,000 - $70,500
      English: $37,100 - $65,800

      Engineering pretty much dominates the majors with the highest salaries, followed by math/science, and business.

      Pretty much every Liberal Arts degree is near the bottom.

      Even your "most reliable source for salaries" clearly shows that LAS majors make the least on average of anyone.

      Now, there's something to be said about doing what you love(or in the case of people on my floor at college), partying as much as possible. But there's a price to be paid for it.

      •  You're just wrong on what PayScale says (0+ / 0-)

        It has Lit and other LAS making $2k less than Business but then has them making more in the longterm.

        Which makes sense. LAs are real degrees, Business is a bogus professional degree with little meat to it. Incurious people usually take business classes. Over the long-term, the LAs do better according the Payscale.

        There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

        by upstate NY on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 06:26:35 AM PDT

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        •  Actually look at the graph (0+ / 0-)

          International business starts off higher and the median is about 10k higher than even Lit or Psych. So are supply chain management and other majors in the school of businesses. Econ is in business half the time(it was in business at my school and LAS at the same time) and is group with finance and accounting when done so. Hard sciences like Math and Physics are the only ones in LAS that outpace the higher paying business majors.

          Lit and Psych are the only two of the non hard sciences in LAS that outpace at median the lowest paying majors in business. Its right there in the link. How do you not see it? I've taken LAS, business, and engineering courses, the only ones that were challenging were the engineering ones. Once I switched from taking engineer courses to taking LAS and Business courses, I went from lower-middle tier of the class to the top of the class. Writing and business management courses as well as Econ and history courses were all grade boosters for me. Don't kid yourself into thinking that kids don't decide on LAS majors because they are easy and they want to have a good time.

          Also, take a look at an research article that came out in the last few weeks:

          Young graduates who majored in [b]education and teaching or engineering[/b] were most likely to find a job requiring a college degree, while area studies majors — those who majored in Latin American studies, for example — and [b]humanities majors[/b] were least likely to do so. Among all recent education graduates, 71.1 percent were in jobs that required a college degree; of all area studies majors, the share was 44.7 percent.

          I can find many more studies and payscales that say the same(basically every piece of actual research done on salaries by major). Even Payscale averages business school majors higher than LAS majors.

          •  You're twisting things by (0+ / 0-)

            disaggregating aspects of business and then lumping non-hard science LAS together.

            The link you give mentioned Area Studies (which is interdisciplinary and not housed in a single department) with the Humanities at large. Yet without a breakdown, I can't know if they're referring to Art History or Literature or History. I'd like to see a breakdown. it would be very telling.

            As for your taking courses in all the fields, did you take Senior level Liberal Arts courses? It's one thing to take a general requirement, quite another to take an advanced course. I took Math and Physics in school but not at an advanced level.

            There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

            by upstate NY on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 08:30:00 PM PDT

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