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  •  Roadbed Guy was fearmongering? (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, but I missed it.

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    -- Albert Einstein

    by bryfry on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 11:13:33 AM PDT

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    •  Well, if I was, and it was (1+ / 0-)
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      targeted at "business as usual" fossil fuels - then I'd wear the accusation as a badge of honor.

      What really irks me, however, is those who point to (the incredibly paltry!!) gains in solar and wind as proof that everything is OK with the world . . ..

      As I alluded to above, the only proven way to get off hydrocarbons is to engage is a full scale construction of nuclear power plants, something like was done in the 1960s and 70s . . .

      •  yet (0+ / 0-)

        Those incredibly paltry gains are just over 1000% more than the gains made by nuclear power in the United States over the past three years. (more of that percent talk again!)

        I didn't say everything would be fine because wind and solar would save the day. In fact, I said

        I would advocate for increasing the construction pace of all three technologies.

        The tired argument that nuclear is "the only proven ..." is particularly irksome especially since I'm not arguing against nuclear, only for wind and solar. Like I also said earlier,

        Comparing nuclear power's rise to wind's rise is not only irrelevant but unproductive.

        Causation was, is, and ever shall be a slippery bitch, so we're best sticking with noting the facts

        by jam on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 01:01:58 PM PDT

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        •  In that context, you could equally dis (0+ / 0-)

          oil refineries - of which no new ones have been built since the 1970s.

          Yet, the existing ones (for better or worse - just like commercial nuclear power) - have become ever more efficient and profitable  - and have not diminished at all wrt  the national energy profile.

          So sure, the meagre gains by solar and wind are fine as far as they go.  However, by looking at the "big picture" it is really, really difficult to see them as anything but a a smokescreen to mask the ongoing expansion of fossil fuels.

          For the life of me, I don't see how you cannot be alarmed at the downward trends over the past year of wind and solar and the upward trends of coal, oil, and natural gas.

          Unless, of course, it's your job to troll progress sites to present a "balanced view"  - note that I"m not at all accusing you of this, I'm just confused how any other scenario makes any sense.

          •  yes, I secretly joined dKos (0+ / 0-)

            in 2003, UID 3663, so that 8 years later I could troll progress sites and argue with assholes in a dead thread.

            fuck off.

            Causation was, is, and ever shall be a slippery bitch, so we're best sticking with noting the facts

            by jam on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 01:57:32 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, this is an all too familiar end (0+ / 0-)

              to trying to have a fact based discussion on this site.

              It degenerates into being told to fuck off because the other person cannot rebut the information being presented.

              Whatever.

              •  You're hilarious (0+ / 0-)

                You push a series of half-truths, lies, and conspiracy theories consummating in calling me a troll and then wrap yourself in the flag of a "fact based discussion."

                I, in fact, rebutted all of your "facts" while you continued to wander aimlessly around the argument cherry-picking and lying the entire time.

                Whatever.

                Causation was, is, and ever shall be a slippery bitch, so we're best sticking with noting the facts

                by jam on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:08:01 AM PDT

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