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  •  Yes, I'd say that explains a whooole lot (2+ / 0-)
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    Kind of a last straw thing, although probably quite a bit bigger and heavier than a straw.

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 03:38:02 PM PDT

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    •  Perspective (5+ / 0-)

      Holding a concert is such a horrible thing?  

      Occupy Atlanta has been doing really well, as far as I know.  This sounds like a mayor who is under a lot of pressure and who is overreacting.  Where the pressure is coming from, we don't know.  I'm sure he's getting an earful from the Republicans in his city and state.  But is he also getting pressured from the federal level?  

      I mean really.  Holding a concert without a permit made him blow his stack?  

      •  Details are sparse, but I can see the aggro (4+ / 0-)

        As he sees it, he's bent over backwards to allow the Occupy group to continue their action - at significant real $$ cost to the city, and political cost as well.  Then, a concert that was previously disallowed, goes on under Occupy "sponsorship". The wording in the story sounds as though the concert promoters weren't originally part of the Occupy movement, but that Occupy may have "adopted" them after their permit was denied. That is likely to be seen by any city leader as not acting in good faith, and deliberately and defiantly escalating things.  This probably didn't help either:

        Possibly adding to tensions, around 7 p.m., marchers in the Downtown area protesting against alleged police brutality, made their way toward Woodruff Park and the area near Occupy Atlanta protesters and the police mobile unit near Auburn Avenue and Park Place.

        The protesters with the “October 22nd Coalition to Stop Police Brutality, Repression and the Criminalization of a Generation” had been in the downtown area nearly all day but had not been connected with the Occupy Atlanta event.

        As to speculation about federal pressure - that's getting out there smack in the middle of CT territory.

        from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 04:42:32 PM PDT

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        •  Ha (3+ / 0-)
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          As to speculation about federal pressure - that's getting out there smack in the middle of CT territory.

          Because there's no history in this country of feds getting involved in protest situations.  None at all.   I'm sure they are not even paying attention to it, Catte Nappe!  And thanks for the accusation of a bannable dkos offense.  Much appreciated.

          A reaction to the anti police brutality protests is a likely aggravating factor, as I mentioned in another comment in this diary.

          •  Feds don't need to get involved at this point (1+ / 0-)
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            The movement is not anywhere near that large, or that long standing, or that widespread. And there is more than sufficient motive for local officials to have issues - tight budgets, costs for police and other services, potential or actual damage to public areas, pressure from local businesses, pressure from residents, etc. etc.

            Not trying to put you in a spotlight for bannable offenses - just suggesting you've gone too far into inflating concerns - time may come it's an issue, right now it's conpircay fear mongering that does the mission more harm than good.

            from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

            by Catte Nappe on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 05:16:59 PM PDT

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            •  How much more widespread (3+ / 0-)
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              could this movement be?  Did you miss the global protests from last week?  Hell, there were pictures of support from Antarctica.

              The movement is not anywhere near that large, or that long standing, or that widespread.

              Anyway we disagree.  I think it's naive and frankly defies history to say that the feds would not be involved yet.  

              •  How much more widespread? (0+ / 0-)

                Thousands, where there are now hundreds. Hundreds where there are now dozens Scores where before now there were none.  

                This has been a good, strong, beginning. It is getting good and growing media coverage, but in large part because it is a "novelty". I think it's naive to think there is a significant impact yet that would justify fed agencies involvement much beyond the level of twitching off a gnat. So yes, we disagree.

                from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

                by Catte Nappe on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 06:05:05 PM PDT

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        •  Federal involvement (5+ / 0-)

          One example from Naomi Wolf:

          Another scary outcome I discovered is that, when the protesters marched to the first precinct, the whole of Erickson Street was cordoned off – "frozen" they were told, "by Homeland Security". Obviously if DHS now has powers to simply take over a New York City street because of an arrest for peaceable conduct by a middle-aged writer in an evening gown, we have entered a stage of the closing of America, which is a serious departure from our days as a free republic in which municipalities are governed by police forces.
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

          Video of her appearance on Countdown:
          Occupy Wall Street: Naomi Wolf calls attention to the disturbing involvement of Homeland Security in her arrest

          Another example is a threat assessment of Occupy Pittsburgh by Homeland Security.

          Another is the fact that Tom Ryan, a guy who has done defense contract work, was sending information about OWS to the FBI until he outed himself.

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