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  •  You know, I had been wondering how this (2+ / 0-)
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    was going to be spun as a failure.

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    by kenlac on Sun Oct 23, 2011 at 11:52:24 AM PDT

    •  Being forced to leave Iraq (8+ / 0-)

      because the Iraqis refused to grant our troops immunity for killing innocents and covering it up with a bomb blast, which was revealed not by our government but by a whistleblower who's been tortured and illegally imprisoned without due process is somehow deemed a "success?"

      Huh, what else do you categorize a "success?"  Assassinating American citizens without Due Process?  Oh wait, that's been done too.......

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      by MisterOpus1 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 at 12:01:52 PM PDT

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    •  No, the failure is trying to take credit for (7+ / 0-)

      something that he had no control over, unless he wanted to declare another war.

      The agreement was in place before he took office.  He campaigned that he would follow that agreement.

      He tried to renegotiate the agreement, leaving more troops there, but the Iraqis did not want a new agreement, because they didn't want the troops to have immunity, which was a deal breaker to Obama and I assume the U.S. military.

      When Obama couldn't get the Iraqis to agree to the immunity, he had no choice but to order the troops out.  That doesn't make him a winner, it doesn't make him a failure.  It makes him a president who has to honor an agreement that the United States made prior to him taking office.  That's his job to follow such agreements.  

      The troops will be gone, but the U.S. paid mercenaries -- I mean "contractors" won't be gone.

      I will give him credit for not declaring another war in Iraq which WOULD keep the troops there.  Or they'd have to come out and then go back in.

      •  The problem with your argument (1+ / 0-)
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        is when you say

        It makes him a president who has to honor an agreement that the United States made prior to him taking office.  That's his job to follow such agreements.  

        Yet he was willing to renege that agreement had the leak on the killing of innocent civilians and the cover-up that followed came out via wikileaks, to which he responded by torturing and locking up the whistleblower.  He was NOT going to honor that agreement, and was, in fact pushing hard against the agreement made by the Administration before him.

        I will give him credit for not declaring another war in Iraq which WOULD keep the troops there.  Or they'd have to come out and then go back in.

        Why give him credit for such a strange hypothetical?  All he had to do was continue to lobby hard to stay, rather than declare another war (of course one was never declared in the first place, but that's against Bush and not Obama and I'm digressing).  But again, if it wasn't for Wikileaks and the unbelievable cover-up by our government on killing innocent women and children, it's highly likely Obama would have gotten what he wanted.

        So how, exactly, should he take credit for an action that he did not want to take and actually lobbied hard against it, only to be shut down by a whistleblower (to which he's torturing and jailing him illegally)?

        Lawrence, KS - From ashes to immortality

        by MisterOpus1 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 at 02:52:48 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, but this reply is tone deaf (2+ / 0-)
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          I appreciate the points you make, but you are taking issue with a person who likely agrees with you on the essential point.  GS was expressing him/herself in a generous way, i.e., "if you want to give credit to Obama for something, these are the only things I can think of that even close to qualifying."  Iow, GS's remarks seeming to praise Obama are made in a wry tone--the point is that Obama gets no credit for having been kicked out of Iraq, a fact on which you both seem to agree.

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          by geomoo on Sun Oct 23, 2011 at 03:45:39 PM PDT

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