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  •  The corruption of politics (0+ / 0-)

    ...that denies a voice is not a specific cause?

    As for wanting to be arrested, I don't think that's the correct framing of what civil disobedience is about.  What they want is ordinances and laws to be changed.  And the events have shown that they have faced arrest with passive resistance.

    I have a problem with the notion that institutions have rights.  They have privileges granted by law, which might or might not be just.

    And the First Amendment says that Congress (and by precedent the states) shall make no law abridging freedom of speech or the right to assemble to petition for a redress of grievances.  "No law" would seem to preclude closure of the public spaces most likely to be forums for grievances at certain times of the day or night or preventing how speech is expressed.  If money is now speech, so are tents.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:12:21 AM PDT

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    •  Some Encampments Are Legal... (0+ / 0-)

      And some are not...

      It is settled law, and all the tents at REI or Walmart will not change that fact.  Creating Hoovervilles around city hall will not change any important laws.

      •  Like I said (0+ / 0-)

        The Jim Crow laws in the South in the 1960s were settled law.  The hastily passed requirements for permits to demonstrate weren't.  And that is the legal roots of restrictions on protests in public places--segregationists defending their "states rights".

        Yet, that era is celebrated as a high point of American democracy.  

        Government still operates by the consent of the governed and always will.  And in the last 30 years much settled law has been created without that consent or through dishonest manufacturing of that consent.  The chickens are now coming home to roost.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 02:38:18 PM PDT

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