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  •  Try a different approach (1+ / 0-)
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    James Kresnik

    As I said, council members should defuse the situation by thanking the Occupy members for attending and acknowledge future efforts to establish dialogue on local issues.  They could have suggested a future meeting with some council members to discuss issues.  Heaven knows, they likely spend a lot of time meeting with local banks and business leaders, why not Occupy people.

    Issuing a warning?  That sounds confrontational, something sure to make the situation worse.

    The important lesson here is that government officials need to learn that average citizens are every bit as important as corporate leaders, real estate developers, etc. and should be treated with equal respect. When they recognize that fact, they'll probably have a less confrontation and more cooperation.

    "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 02:25:49 PM PDT

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    •  Did you watch the video? OSD took away (1+ / 0-)
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      mumtaznepal

      somebody ELSE'S 3 minutes.  Another person was getting up to talk and that's when they started chanting.  

      Young was not confrontational -- watch the video. He let them speak and finish completely.  And then h was conciliatory -- he started by saying, "I understand the emotion" but that they had to keep with the protocol - meaning, time to move to the next speaker.  So then it was somebody ELSE'S turn, somebody ELSE's 3 minutes to speak to the Council, and that's when OSD started chanting.  

      OSD was wrong.  They have no right to take away somebody else's right to speak to the council.  

      •  We disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        James Kresnik

        Hope you never decide to run for city council.  You'll likely be very unhappy and find it an unpleasant experience.

        Diplomacy always works best.

        "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 02:36:21 PM PDT

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        •  Did you watch the video? (2+ / 0-)
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          johnny wurster, mumtaznepal

          Young was NOT confrontational.  

          •  I'll ask you the same question (1+ / 0-)
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            James Kresnik

            that I posed to another member who keeps harping on this issue:

            What are you afraid of?  Why are you intimidated and defensive when it comes to the actions of the various Occupy movements?  What are the Occupy groups doing that makes you feel so defensive?

            "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 02:47:16 PM PDT

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            •  I am not "afraid" of OSD. I think everybody (4+ / 0-)

              including that man who tried to speak to the council, has a right to be heard.  OSD had their opportunity to speak to the council.  And the council listened.  Then they were politely asked to abide by the rules when it was the next person's turn to speak to the council.  They chose to ignore that and to chant so that someone else was deprived of HIS right to speak to the council.  No matter WHAT their message is, that behavior is not ok.  If I were on the council, I would have had any such chanters removed so that I could fulfill my obligation to hear what citizens had to say.

              OSD had their turn to speak.  They had no right to prevent someone else from having their turn to speak.  No matter what the message.

              •  I see your point. (5+ / 0-)

                What I'm thinking is that -- since they had 30 minutes and ten speakers more to listen to -- the counsil silenced the voices of at least nine of them by walking out rather than calling for order.

                I've sat through many San Diego Counsil meetings. They sometimes get noisy or contentious. The Counsil is always able to regain control and get everyone quieted down.

                Until  now. They didn't even try. I've never seen them not try. They chose to fail, instead.

                I feel badly for those nine people whose voices the Counsil refused to hear today

        •  You're spoiled. (1+ / 0-)
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          coffeetalk

          "I want what I want and everyone needs to give it to me!" seems to be your take on things.

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