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  •  Then what solution do you propose? (1+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster

    Look, I'm not saying that a political solution can be implemented at the present time; if you're talking in the present tense, I agree with you.

    At some point you have to engage in the political process (note that I did not say electoral process..although that, too, will have to be engaged at some point).

    otherwise, how do you propose to implement the changes that you seek?

    No...it's not getting done tomorrow. It's not getting done in 2012. Hopefully by 2020, we will be on the way.

    •  "How do you propose to implement the changes" (1+ / 0-)
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      blueness

      Perhaps through the Vatican or some other "higher" authority.

      All I know for sure is that the system cannot be changed through politics. The Federal Government is already a largely privatized entity. It would be more direct to simply to engineer a hostile takeover of Our Corporate Overlords -- if we could scrape together enough money:

      A hostile takeover is a type of corporate takeover which is carried out against the wishes of the board of the target company. This unique type of acquisition does not occur nearly as frequently as friendly takeovers, in which the two companies work together because the takeover is perceived as beneficial. Hostile takeovers can be traumatic for the target company, and they can also be risky for the other side, as the acquiring company may not be able to obtain certain relevant information about the target company.
      •  Which is why I brought up (1+ / 0-)
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        Pluto

        the Religious Right takeover of the Republican Party, which happened along these lines to a small extent...

        but...but...you have to be prepared to do that...

        ...also, I can't think of any form of government that has not been some sort of "privatized entity"...even Athenian democracy...the question is how much of it are you willing to put up with and how much of that will the 1% allow...

        And even if you are "to the manor born" as far as the political/economic aristocracy is concerned, the 1% will not like it and will retalliate.

        •  The Vatican idea is a Hail Mary pass (1+ / 0-)
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          blueness

          ...but the Pope did enter the fray yesterday:

          Occupy Wall Street's Most Unlikely Ally: The Pope

          The Vatican released a document on the world economy on Monday that will cause heartburn in the Tea Party, but will be cheered by the folks occupying Wall Street.

          This will surprise most Americans who think the pope is a Republican because he opposes abortion and gay marriage. But when it comes to economic justice, Pope Benedict XVI is to the left of President Obama. Heck, he is even to the left of Nancy Pelosi.

          Those who read the pope's 2009 encyclical "Caritas in Veritate (Charity in Truth)" will not be surprised by this new document. In that encyclical, the pope decried "corruption and illegality" among economic and political elites in both rich and poor countries. He told financiers they must rediscover the ethical foundation of their activity and stop abusing savers. He wants a radical rethinking of economics so that it is guided not simply by profits but by "an ethics which is people-centered."

          You're our only hope, Obi-wan!

          •  In other words (1+ / 0-)
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            Pluto

            forming coalitions.
            I have to do my research a bit now but it's not as if changes like that have never happened (the Roman plebes being a primary example).

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