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  •  Is it ok what Qaddaffi did to his people? I won't (2+ / 0-)
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    believe that he was righteous or innocent.

    Insofar as self-defense vs. aggressive dogs: I believe each person has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- and that includes the right to defend themselves and their families and companions against aggressors, even such powerful aggressors as Qaddafi. Or Rupert Murdoch. Or Osama bin Laden. Or John Wayne Gacy. Or Bill O'Reilly. Or George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Anthony Scalia et. al., and the biggest loser of them all, Rush Limbaugh. In fact, against the abuse they collectively heap on all our rights to free speech, good jobs, union wages and benefits, and no wars, we have an obligation to defend not just ourselves but our community and our nation.

    They are the true enemy here. Look hard at them.

    Yes. Qaddafi buttered his bread. It is justice that the people of Libya made him sleep in it. Osama buttered his bread. It is justice that Seal Team 6 made him (no matter how belatedly) sleep in it. It is justice that Bank of America having buttered its bread, all of us take our business and our bank accounts and our mortgages elsewhere, along with our tax dollars. Let them sleep in what they have wrought.

    Is it Christian to be so unforgiving?
    Probably not. But it's justice speaking, not religion.

    LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 at 09:03:29 AM PDT

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    •  I make only one response to the brutalization of Q (2+ / 0-)
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      at the end.  My wife said of the video "he looked scared".

                  Yeah, he didn't do anything heroic there. But the point is, how many violations including massacring prisoners, chance individuals, people he never knew or met perished because he sanctioned violence as a tool against people to establish his dominance?

      Libyans got hardened, calloused even to his depredations.
      Many of them were stuck in a submissive, unthinking kind of reaction to all sorts of things ordinary people in a place where there is rule of law  can sort out ethically.

      Treating him as a piece of meat was what he as dictator did to them  innumerable times, and they lost a chance to demonstrate they were better than him, at least as far as common decency and humanity, even to a thoroughly despicable human being.  That summary execution incident probably inspired the son to request a trip to the Hague, because the system is so chaotic and uncertain inside Libya right now.

      That incident points up ironically that the Oakland PD and their bosses look especially unworthy and despicable after terrorizing our fellow Americans.

      If you think that you and a bunch of other people can just show up on Wall St, camp out and have any effect whatsoever, you're dreaming. *YUP!* h/t Hamden Rice

      by BeeDeeS on Thu Oct 27, 2011 at 08:25:01 PM PDT

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    •  This has nothing to do with what he did (0+ / 0-)

      ... to his people, and everything to do with who we are as a people.

      If we can justify cruelty and brutality under any circumstances - we can then understand the mechanism by which others justify their cruelty and brutality.

      The point is that the people who so readily attacked peaceful individuals on the streets of Oakland can justify that action in their minds because they view those peaceful people in exactly the same way you view tyrants like Quadaffi.

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