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  •  and some believe that (3+ / 0-)
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    in states where there are LGB anti-discrimination laws that those laws apply to the T as well.

    Which is why this statement by Governor Cuomo pissed me off a bit today:

    Shifting his sights beyond New York in a way he has not done before, Mr. Cuomo demanded that the federal Defense of Marriage Act be repealed. His voice rising in intensity as he spoke, he also called for federal legislation that would bar discrimination against gay men and lesbians in housing and employment.
    •  And we can't get trans protections... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...in his own state!  Ass!

    •  might have been using that as shorthand. (1+ / 0-)
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      The only way to know is to ask him:

      Do you think there should be equality under law for persons who have a gender identity other than the one into which they were born and raised, including those who have taken steps such as dressing accordingly and/or having gender surgery?

      Don't use the T word as such since many people don't understand all of what it means: just describe it in a definition.

      BTW, one way to force the issue is to ask about individuals whose chromosomes do not conform to the usual pattern of XX or XY, for example XXY, XXXY, and so on.  If a pediatrician can "assign" an individual with those genes to a gender, then clearly an individual with those genes MUST have the legal right to assign or reassign themselves.  

      And once that right is granted to individuals with unusual genetics, then it MUST necessarily apply to all others (as in, right-handed people are allowed to sit at left-handed desks in classrooms, and vice-versa).  

      "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Fri Oct 28, 2011 at 04:51:07 PM PDT

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      •  To this transperson... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that sounds a lot like, "Wait until we get equality for intersex people."

        We're tired of waiting.

        •  no, it's not intended as that. (0+ / 0-)

          The point of the first part is to get the person to recognize equality by getting them to think about the ideas that are normally summed up in a phrase.  The more you can unpack assumptions and get people to think about what the words mean, the greater the likelihood of success.

          The point of the second part is to make a logically incontrovertible case for equality on the basis of a) genes and b) who gets to choose.  

          I have yet to find anyone who can argue that a) persons with unusual gender chromosome combinations do not deserve equal rights, or that b) they do not deserve the right as adults to exercise their own will as regards their gender assignments, on an equal footing with the will of their parents or pediatricians (by analogy, the right to change the name that one was given by one's parents, e.g. a hippy couple name their kid Moon Flower but the kid wants to be an investment banker and changes his name to Bob or whatever).  Now once you have someone willing to go there, it's a short step from that to the right of any adult to exercise their own will as regards their gender.  

          This isn't about "later later."  This is about "logically compelling right now."  

          "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 04:07:02 AM PDT

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          •  I have (0+ / 0-)
            I have yet to find anyone who can argue that a) persons with unusual gender chromosome combinations do not deserve equal rights, or that b) they do not deserve the right as adults to exercise their own will as regards their gender assignments, on an equal footing with the will of their parents or pediatricians

            You haven't seen the DSM-5 have you? It argues exactly that - that Intersex people who wish to transition have "gender dysphoria", a mental illness, and should be treated as such. That no, they do not have rights on an equal footing. That is merely putting into words what is already the practice.

            Then of course there's the religious arguments. That they know your "real" sex, and you don't.

            Meanwhile, Woods vs CG Studios is precedent for denying Intersex people employment. Because that right only applies to men and women, not those who are Intersex. It is specifically allowable to fire someone for having been surgically assigned a sex shortly after birth.

            Schroer vs Library of Congress is a powerful argument against that for Transitioners, but doesn't cover Intersex people who don't transition.

    •  This is the only issue where Cuomo is (1+ / 0-)
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      not awful.  

      The fact that he isn't stellar even on this makes me even more eager to see him primaried.

      Founder Math and Statistics Geeks . Statistics for progressives

      by plf515 on Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 06:19:34 AM PDT

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