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  •  No One Yet Has Addressed My Comments... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...with one exception above, the post on OWS Boston which states they are, in fact, registering voters.  That is a start.

    And I will continue to speak out against a "movement" based on the false premise that the Democratic Party is the same as the GOP.  A "movement" that stands in stark contrast to the teachings of MLK and Gandhi, who matched organizing with canny political and legislative strategies (Gandhi was not only a charismatic leader, he was a founder of the Indian National Congress; MLK paired his work with the legal efforts of Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP-LDF).

    No one wants to address my comments because they refuse to acknowledge that the perfect is the enemy of the good here.  Yes, I confess I will never "get" a movement based on the premise that political change will come from leaderless/platform-less sit-ins at public venues.

    What I see is a continuing parade of black eyes, as OWS battles the mainly liberal Democratic city governments across the country.  I see tens of millions of dollars of public monies being burned on police overtime and extra clean-up costs at a time when state and local governments are laying off workers and cutting back services.

    And aside from the single comment on OWS Boston, the comments here reiterate the trend, which is anti-Democratic Party and anti-Barack Obama, the Democratic Party incumbent.

    That this is all being hosted at DKOS, a site which does stellar work on nuts-and-bolts electoral organizing, is ironic.  It is as if DKOS itself is being occupied by constant drumming and bull-horns designed to get people to follow a pied piper that has marched before - in the Presidential elections of 1968, in 1980, and most egregiously in 2000.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 03:24:51 PM PDT

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    •  To hell with electoral politics (3+ / 0-)
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      We are under no illusions that revolution is fast or easy.  But it's the only direction left, whether it takes ten years or ten thousand.

    •  Your interpretation of OWS (2+ / 0-)
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      is your interpretation.

      I'm a little surprised that no one else has pushed back on your theme that OWS is opposed to electoral politics or the party process. In my visits to OWS Boston (and to other web sites related to OWS), I see very little that suggests that anyone there is antagonistic to the Democratic Party, or that they equate it with the Republicans. Put another way, I definitely see more anti-Republican signs than I do anti-Democrat or anti-both signs.

      Are they disappointed with the Democratic Party? Absolutely. Anyone with any sanity would be. But that doesn't mean that it's broken beyond repair.

      But remember, too, that no one speaks for OWS. Hence your interpretation is just as valid as mine. And it may be that no one else addressed the point I'm making because your comment simply drew more responses from people who share the point of view that you're ascribing to OWS as a whole (as if such a thing were realistic.)

      Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

      by Nowhere Man on Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 05:29:30 PM PDT

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      •  Clarification (1+ / 0-)
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        I see very little that suggests that anyone there is antagonistic to the Democratic Party..
        That was sloppy wording. What I meant to say is that, yes, there are people who have clearly given up on the Democratic Party, but that is far from the majority view from what I can tell.

        Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

        by Nowhere Man on Sat Oct 29, 2011 at 05:31:47 PM PDT

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