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  •  Couple of points... (0+ / 0-)

    1. Considering Way LaPierre's coalition has majorities in both Houses, I'd beg to differ.

    2. I think it's short sighted to throw away the gunowner vote, but at least we can agree that you shouldn't ask of me what you won't ask of yourself.  

    •  Back atcha. (0+ / 0-)

      1. I'm not a progressive because it is the majority position in any party, so um, yawn. Barack Obama (and my senators too) were elected without kissing his ass, so I am sure others can be too.

      2. If gun owners want to throw away their vote on Tea Party dominionists, because of some fetishistic fear of their guns being taken away, I'm ok with that, really. 'Twas ever thus. You don't have concessions from ME on this issue. But as I said, I'm not the candidate, I'm the constituent right now... so we don't have to support the same position to support the same candidate.

      I'm not sure what your other point is, other than some tangential condescension.

      •  Couple more points... (0+ / 0-)

        1. Helps when you have a financial crisis and a thoroughly discredit previous Administration.  None of which changes the fact that a bipartisan majority against further infringements on the rights of gunowners has elected to Congress every time since 1994.

        2. A good number of gunowners don't have to make that choice, and others can simply choose not to vote.  You yourself have threatened to withhold your vote for a gun rights champion.  Once again, don't ask of me what you won't ask of yourself.

        3. As for my point: this entire diary concerns reaching out to the Tea Party.  I suspect if progressives can't reach out to their own first, then Sumner's piece is nothing more than an exercise in wishful thinking.

        •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

          But the nature of democracy means we all have to compromise on occasion.

          From each of our perspectives, the other is an extremist position. I'm okay with that.

          I am fairly certain that my choices will never come down to having to choose between two pro-gun extremists. At least to date, I have always had reasonable alternatives (I call them Democrats)... and I've never had to withhold my vote.

          There are plenty of OTHER issues (abortion, economics, environment) that I can "reach out" to "my own" and get support for progressive candidates. If your only issue is an extremist gun rights position, we'll just have to let democracy decide if that is going to happen in the United States.

          •  And you will learn to compromise... (0+ / 0-)

            ...just as the national Democratic party has.

            I have had the problem of choosing between an anti-gun extremist and a Republican, and when that situation arises I choose not to pull the lever.  The same goes for plenty of Democrats in my district and state who have reliably turned out to back progressives provided they protect their rights to keep and bear firearms.

            Our track record for supporting democracy is unparalleled as evidenced by the solid majority securing our rights in Congress.  The question is will progressives leave money on the table due to some foolish squeamishness more appropriate for the 1 percent or will they embrace us as well?  Because if you can't stomach our demands, don't even waste your time with the Tea Party.

            •  The answer is (0+ / 0-)

              Some democrats will, and some won't.

              Those of us in the pro gun-control camp don't waste our time on ultimatums from uncompromising extremists.

              My state (Washington) is represented by 2 fabulous Democrats in the Senate that have gun positions that would probably  cause you to choose to stay home. Not me.

              Your choice not to pull the lever? I can live with one less voting extremist.

              If that means leaving money on the table in YOUR state, so  be it. Democrats have already proven to me that they can win in MY state (and nationally) without embracing your 4 rules.

              •  Those of you in the anti-gun camp... (0+ / 0-)

                ...tend to be the extremists, given the present political climate.

                Democrats triumphed in 2008 largely because gun control was off the table.  There is little to no evidence the party will succeed in 2012 without the truce in place.  It's time to forge a permanent peace treaty and be done with this issue once and for all.

                •  Sure. (0+ / 0-)

                  I reject your terms of surrender though.

                  Where do you want to compromise with me?

                  •  Those 4 points... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...they do nothing more than maintain the status quo.  If I can't be guaranteed of that much, we've little to discuss.

                    •  Well OK then. (0+ / 0-)

                      Back to where I started.

                      You vote for your favorite candidates and I'll vote for mine.

                      Peace.

                      •  Which is precisely... (0+ / 0-)

                        ...why the "gesture" extended in this diary is so empty.

                        •  You're making the assumption (0+ / 0-)

                          That every tea party member is also a gun owner, and that every gun owner agrees with you on the vital nature of being able to have no limit on clip size, or no requirements on transporting weapons.

                          I respectfully submit that you are wrong.

                          •  I submit... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...that you're going to run up against a wide variety of issues you find make or break, gun control being just one of them.  I make no assumptions regarding Tea Party softness or hardness on this single issue, other than to suggest it is probably harder in favor of gun rights than the national mood.

                            If you're not willing to accept the status quo on this matter--after it's all but been decided on a bipartisan basis--I don't think you'll be able to bridge the gulf with the Tea party.

                          •  But, if you're serious about making the gesture... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...here's a good place to start.

                          •  And here's a list of 35 Dem reps... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...who've currently signed onto this historic effort.  We could use some more help.

                            Rep. Ben Chandler [D, KY-6]
                            Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9]
                            Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
                            Rep. Joe Courtney [D, CT-2]
                            Rep. Mark Critz [D, PA-12]
                            Rep. Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28]
                            Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
                            Rep. John Dingell [D, MI-15]
                            Rep. Joe Donnelly [D, IN-2]
                            Rep. Raymond Green [D, TX-29]
                            Rep. Martin Heinrich [D, NM-1]
                            Rep. Tim Holden [D, PA-17]
                            Rep. Ronald Kind [D, WI-3]
                            Rep. Larry Kissell [D, NC-8]
                            Rep. Rick Larsen [D, WA-2]
                            Rep. Ben Lujan [D, NM-3]
                            Rep. Jim Matheson [D, UT-2]
                            Rep. Mike McIntyre [D, NC-7]
                            Rep. Michael Michaud [D, ME-2]
                            Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23]
                            Rep. Collin Peterson [D, MN-7]
                            Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
                            Rep. Mike Ross [D, AR-4]
                            Rep. Timothy Ryan [D, OH-17]
                            Rep. Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5]
                            Rep. Terri Sewell [D, AL-7]
                            Rep. Heath Shuler [D, NC-11]
                            Rep. Timothy Walz [D, MN-1]

                          •  Hey Thanks (0+ / 0-)

                            A nice convenient list of who not to send a dime to!

                          •  The circular firing squad... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...never ceases to amaze me.

                          •  Hey (0+ / 0-)

                            you convened it.

                          •  I'm extending an olive branch... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...in the spirit of the diary.

                          •  I accept it. (0+ / 0-)

                            And agree that we are on opposite sides of this one issue.

                            But the flexibility that our constitution empowers, so eloquently expressed by someone else above, will serve us well in the arbitration of our differences.

                            I am certain they will continue to be contentious, but most likely regionally appropriate democratic solutions will be the general approach implemented in our country.

                          •  And the best way to ensure that future... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...is to pass HR 822 with as much progressive support as possible.  Which, by the way, would have virtually no impact on your state's current treatment of firearms.

                          •  Well (0+ / 0-)

                            Like I said, we disagree on this.

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