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  •  In other words... (12+ / 0-)

    it's a weapon of mass terror.

    "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

    by ogre on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 06:14:10 PM PDT

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    •  Yep. (4+ / 0-)

      But the secret there is that you can make a choice to not be terrified.

      Fear is the mind-killer, etc. ;)

    •  Most crowd-control weapons are (0+ / 0-)

      or mass disruption, as in firehoses.

      "But there's one thing that gives every Marine the willies, and anyone saying otherwise is a liar. Drop pods. That shit is terrifying, son."

      by Shaviv on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 05:24:44 AM PDT

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      •  I actually think firehoses... (0+ / 0-)

        ...Are much more reasonable of a crowd-control device.  They're much less indiscriminate and they're not a device made to inspire fear.  I've never seen a crowd stampede just because a hose was turned on them.  

        It's also better at, well, controlling the crowd.  You can sweep an area and pretty much keep people out of it without doing much more than knocking them on their ass or blasting their feet out from under them.  If you don't want to damage people, but still need to defend a position, firehoses are a great answer.

        •  I thought firehoses routinely caused injuries (0+ / 0-)

          to eyes, ears, and of course overall bones and bodies of anyone knocked off their feet.

          "But there's one thing that gives every Marine the willies, and anyone saying otherwise is a liar. Drop pods. That shit is terrifying, son."

          by Shaviv on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:50:00 PM PDT

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          •  They certainly can... (0+ / 0-)

            ...Particularly if you unleash them from too close to your target or if you aim for the head instead of the feet.  Plus, of course, if you get knocked down you don't necessarily go down gracefully.  It's not unlike being taken down by a flying tackle from a 250-lb cop.

            ...At the same time, there's less "Boom.  Headshot" potential, and the force they deliver drops significantly as you get further away.  They're also much more predictable if the operators are using a continuous stream; someone getting hit by it will know it's coming if they're paying attention.  And if you get on the ground in a kowtow, butt up and head down facing towards the firehose, it's hard for the stream to knock you over.  There's a great pic of a bunch of muslims praying on a bridge and just taking the firehose like it's nothing.  Of course, this hose was also being deployed at what I'd consider a reasonable distance to open up on someone with.

            ...And I just realised this might be in response to the "don't want to damage them" line.  Yeah, that should have been clearer.  More like "If you want to damage them as little as possible."  I'm also talking about when they're used properly -- which shouldn't be unless the situation has degenerated to the point where the cops would be justified pulling out the nightsticks and breaking heads, unless you're using them in a constant "keep away from this area" mode, in which case anyone who manages to get too close to the hoses knew what they were getting into long before the force of the hose became damaging.

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