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  •  This is one of the most foolish comments (17+ / 0-)

    I've seen here in a long time.

    Sitting down to watch "The Price is Right" indeed!   Obviously no kids to watch, no errands to run, no planning and grocery shopping, none of the other million and one things that must be done.   Not to even mention that for most of us, this is all in addition to a part time job or full time job (or two) where we can find it.

    "Because inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened." -Terry Pratchett

    by revsue on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:21:56 AM PDT

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    •  you are correct i have no children. (0+ / 0-)

      but really what work is there to do when machines do all the work for you? you put a meatloaf in the oven and it does all the work. I spent just half hour preparing it. Most household work is hardly work. If you are a housewife or a househusband and you keep up on your chores you are more likely to be bored then overworked. sure if you let the house go to hell for a couple days then it might take more than a couple hours to set straight but that's to be expected. Obviously if both of you are working then the household chores should be split as equally as possible but I'd take a day doing dishes and laundry to mowing the lawn and cleaning the gutters any day.

      Standing up for men and their interests does not constitute misogyny.

      by SetaSan on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:31:15 AM PDT

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      •  I felt very much incensed reading yours (13+ / 0-)

        and athiestbens comments. I felt very much the discounting in your comments. I felt like you were sneering at me.

        I know that is probably not politically correct of me. I know I will get excoriated, I know that you are entitled to your views and I actually respect that.

        But I feel that I also am entitled to my feelings, valid or not.

        I've been a mother, a housewife for a while and then a working mother. The list of chores is endless. Especially with kids in school. The juggling is scary, especially when my kids called me one day at work and told me the house was on fire! It was expected that I do it all and I tried. And there was damn little that was social about it, but I applaud women who make it a community thing because I think that is part of what we have missed with our little cookie cutter houses.

        Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain

        by glitterscale on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 11:03:44 AM PDT

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        •  that's a good point (2+ / 0-)
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          The cookie-cutter house isolation problem. Of course, that is not just a problem for mothers, it's really a problem for everyone and a big part of why there is so much loneliness. I guess there was a time in history when there was a "commons" area where people could go and hang out - in the U.S. it seems most public space has private space rules attached to it.

          In other countries, most notably in Europe, where they have things like national healthcare and extended maternity leave, they acknowledge that child-bearing is not just something women indulge ourselves with for entertainment, but is actually a biologically important function which ensures that in the future there will be more people. They don't treat motherhood as free-loading everywhere, LOL. (Sure, an argument could be made against overpopulation, but it never is by those who rail against family planning, and where would they get their cheap labor and armies if poor women stopped making more people?)

      •  good for you (11+ / 0-)

        But really, you've got to be kidding. It takes a lot of physical labor to scrub floors, dust or sponge off baseboards, clean windows, carry out garbage and recycling, wash fold iron carry and put away several loads of laundry, wash dishes by hand, sweep, vacuum, make beds, mow the lawn, trim the shrubs, bag the yard waste...and add to that sorting through paper work, changing light bulbs, run errands to post office, bank, grocery store, making sure everyone has lunch food for school, taking kids to and from school, soccer practice, band practice, friends' houses, helping kids with homework, feeding everyone, and basic home's time-consuming. It may be boring as hell because most of it is not very mentally demanding, and can be lonely, but it takes effort and involves labor. It's nicer to be out of the house talking to other adult human beings at my part-time job which I do in addition to all of the above.

        •  believe me i know what goes into household work (0+ / 0-)

          i did it full time for four months. as i stated before that this was without children.. but it was hardly demanding at all. Going out for errands was more like a break from sitting around the house all day. I've done the physically demanding jobs like scrubbing the bath... but if i had the money i'd rather be a househusband and do that stuff and have more free time so i could spend more of it talking with you find people rather than the douches at work.

          Standing up for men and their interests does not constitute misogyny.

          by SetaSan on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 11:29:25 AM PDT

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      •  See, that's where you miss the point (4+ / 0-)

        Because you have no children. Put children into the mix, and it's a whole 'nother story. They demand constant attention, especially when young. They are messy, they get sick, they get injured, they have feelings that need to be attended to - there are a host of things that come with children that really change how much work there is. Sleepless nights worrying about them, taking care of sick children, and just taking care of the young ones.

        I agree that without children it's fairly easy, why do you think that child-free women do so much better when it comes to careers than mothers? Like, duh, they have far more time and energy.

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