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  •  A tunnel for turtles sound like a wonderful idea (5+ / 0-)
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    shoeless, fuppet, psnyder, nswalls, murrayewv

    I am glad I live in a country where people care enough to build a tunnel so turtles could cross the street safely.

    •  But turtle tunnels aren't in the Constitution. (1+ / 0-)
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      psnyder

      That means we can't build them. If turtles are too lazy to dig their own tunnels, they deserve to get smashed on the road.

      A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by shoeless on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:54:58 AM PDT

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      •  It's not that I'm against turtle tunnels (1+ / 0-)
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        shoeless

        But, do they appreciate what our tax dollars have done for them and actually use the tunnels? I mean, turtles don't have the best eyesight. Do they see the tiny little TURTLE CROSSING  signs before it's too late and they're on their way across a busy road?

        What I think should happen is humans being educated in turtle rescue. You see one in the middle of the road you stop and help it to the side of the road in which he was pointed. (Putting it back on the side he came from is just mean.) This way, lots of tax dollars are saved.

    •  this is part of what i do (2+ / 0-)
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      icemilkcoffee, murrayewv

      my company has been part of the design team for large wildlife passages in the transportation corridor context. As Laura indicated in the post, this isnt solely about helping the wildlife to not be killed, but rather is partially about transportation safety. Having deer and other mammals, etc, cross high-speed highways is potentially lethal for motorists.

      But when you also consider the wildlife impacts, providing specific crossing components can play a large role in mitigating habitat fragmentation and associated declines in species populations. Keep in mind, these passages need to be designed not only for animals like deer or foxes, but also herpetofauna (salamanders etc), fish, and so on. There are very specific design guidelines that must be followed based on the species in the area and their needs.

      For example, a tunnel may need to provide access for deer (which requires limited tunnel width - they wont cross under if they cant see the other end), fish (you cant exceed certain flow rates within the streams or some species wont be able to swim against the current), or salamanders (need combinations of wet and dry areas to provide correct protection). All of this is expensive in that it takes time to do it correctly.

      But i guess the issue here is that many people, not just republicans, dont place much value on the preservation of wildlife and natural systems. their wallet is muuuch more important.

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