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  •  Has the world suddenly changed? (6+ / 0-)

    Or has America finally woken-up after a long sleep?

    In any case, it's good to see this becoming more organized and focused and heading for the next stage.

    T+R

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 07:29:04 AM PDT

    •  we are on the cusp of change (2+ / 0-)
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      i am afraid to think this is really happening in the sense that if this is squashed (I mean the whole ows movement) there is nothing between us and the destruction of the planet.

      Donate to Occupy Wall Street here: http://nycga.cc/donate/

      by BlueDragon on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 07:41:38 AM PDT

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    •  America has decided to stop being patient. (7+ / 0-)

      "The great social phenomenon of this depression, unlike others before it, is that it has produced but a few of the disorderly manifestations that too often attend upon such times.

      Wild radicalism has made few converts, and the greatest tribute that I can pay to my countrymen is that in these days of crushing want there persists an orderly and hopeful spirit on the part of the millions of our people who have suffered so much. To fail to offer them a new chance is not only to betray their hopes but to misunderstand their patience. "

      We have been so patient that it hurts, waiting for the government to do the right thing.

      Now we have to act ourselves, hopefully still in an orderly and hopeful spirit.

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:22:24 AM PDT

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    •  coming soon to a city near you (1+ / 0-)
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      the world has changed, an old order is collapsing, the social contract is a dead letter, and this is the beginning of the struggle over what will replace it.

      •  The social contract is not a dead letter. (1+ / 0-)
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        This is our attempt to collect on it, so if it's a "dead letter" than this would all be pointless.

        The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

        by Troubadour on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 06:41:08 PM PDT

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        •  the old social contract is over (0+ / 0-)

          what we're doing, whether we recognize it or not, is dreaming up a new one for ourselves, and organizing ourselves against the 1% that decided to kill the old peace.

          the 20th century is over. the 21st has not yet completely been born. we need to be the midwives of a new peace that suits our times and needs.

          •  The US Constitution is the social contract. (0+ / 0-)

            I can't claim to have taken a poll, but I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of people out there in Occupy are not trying to replace the Constitution - they're affirming it.

            The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

            by Troubadour on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:16:51 PM PDT

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            •  the constitution's just one part of the contract (0+ / 0-)

              even a cursory glance at american history reveals that the social contract - or even the meaning of the constitution to american society - has undergone several distinct shifts, with new social contracts replacing old ones that had become dead letters.

              we're in one of those moments. not good or bad, it just is. i would not be surprised to see the constitution as symbolic  legitimating authority as well as aspects of its rhetoric and substance preserved in any new social contract, but it will not be as simple as saying "the constitution is our social contract."

      •  The Old Roads are rapidly aging (2+ / 0-)
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        Please get out of the new ones
        if you can't lend your hand
        for the times they are a changin'

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 07:27:29 PM PDT

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