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  •  If ID is required for voting, (10+ / 0-)

    we need a law to require that ID be free of charge.  (Also no postage required for mail-in ballots)

    •  not just the ID itself ... (12+ / 0-)

      ... but the costs of all the documents needed to obtain an id, like a birth certificate.

      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        We need a Constitutional Amendment re: voter registration.

        Not sure, however, we want to open that can of worms.

        The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

        by jgkojak on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 09:41:26 AM PDT

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      •  Can you vote if you don't pay taxes? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not arguing for a poll tax, but isn't the right of an American citizen to vote stripped if the person is in jail for tax evasion?

        So to vote, I already have to pay all my income, payroll and sales taxes every year.

        I had to have my birth certificate to get married, and had to drive to IA to get a new copy.  I can't lay the costs of that document on voting, I had to have it anyway for other things.

        If the costs of ID and documents is just too much for most people, then I guess we need another tax cut, right?  Last time I checked, my poll tax is about $10,000 a year.  If I don't pay it, I don't get to vote.

        •  You can vote if you don't pay taxes (6+ / 0-)

          You can't vote if you've been convicted of a felony.  I don't get your point.

          •  Tax evasion is a felony (0+ / 0-)

            Sure, a person CAN vote without paying taxes.  For a while.  But then the IRS audits, the person goes to jail and then as a convicted felon, can't vote.

            So if I have to pay thousands in taxes to not be a felon and remain a legal voting citizen, why aren't income taxes a poll tax?  It's because they're used for far more than just voting.  Just like a State ID, which has many more uses than just a voter ID.

            Why the attitude of abject helplessness?  With all the taxes we have to pay to have a functioning government, the cost of a State ID is miniscule.

            •  there's a right to vote in the Constitution (7+ / 0-)

              The other things for which ids are often required are not constitutional rights on the same level.  The right to Sudafed?

              •  Okay, you win (0+ / 0-)

                But you know damn well that you're not going to get all these teabagger voting intimidation laws repealed.  So the longer you tell people that they don't need an ID, the fewer people will have one come election day.

                The GOP has proven time and time again that they don't care about how much we complain.  So you can either play defense tell people to wait for courts and Obama to save them.  Or you can play offense, tell people to go get IDs, so everyone can show up to vote and shove it down the GOP's throats.

                Its your choice which path to take, but I'm telling you, your way is only going to get people turned away at the polls.

                And you also cannot possibly support the effort needed to win the Occupy movement by claiming that getting a State ID is just too much work.  I guess life is just too much work then.

                •  Excuse me, Norm (3+ / 0-)
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                  But in case you missed this in Adam's diary:

                  By this spring, the Obama re-election campaign will mount what Mr. Bauer called an unprecedented "voter protection" effort, fielding thousands of volunteers in battleground states to help navigate new election laws, months earlier than past efforts.
                  "We will look at what the state has done, look for ways to counter it, through litigation sometimes, through administrative interpretation sometimes. But beyond that, you have to have a program that actually goes out and shows voters what they need to do," a senior Obama campaign official said.

                  The Obama campaign is not relying solely on repealing the laws, but also educating voters on how to obtain IDs, etc.
                  They are playing offense.

                  You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

                  by skohayes on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:49:04 PM PDT

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            •  You seem to think that making voting more (5+ / 0-)
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              difficult (meaning a lower percentage of Americans will vote) is a good thing.

              I think that's a  very bad thing. The higher the voting percentage in a genuine democracy, the better the government is going to be

              •  No, I don't think it's a good thing (0+ / 0-)

                But I also know that getting a State ID is not a very hard or expensive thing to do.  And so if the teabaggers have passed laws requiring them, don't you think it's better if everyone goes out and gets the ID now, and is ready to vote?

                The alternative is sitting around like a sheep waiting to be saved.  And if that saving never comes, and the people don't get ID's, then they won't be able to vote, as the GOP intend.

                Take it lying down or fight, your choice.  But anyone who doesn't get an ID who can go get one is choosing not to vote.  That's what the GOP wants, and from the refusal to accept reality that I see here, it's what they're going to get.

                •  Not very hard (1+ / 0-)
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                  if you have a car. If you don't have a car, is the place where you have to go to get a State ID readily accessible by public transportation? What if you're elderly or disabled? Yeah, a long bus ride, pushing your walker or wheelchair a couple of blocks, no problemo!

                  You seem to be arguing that no matter how unfair or egregious these new rules, we should not contest them at all. What sense does that make?

                  •  No, I'm saying do BOTH at the same time (0+ / 0-)

                    I am not arguing not to contest the laws.  What I'm saying is, that the court fight to get the laws overturned probably won't be resolved before next year.  And the court fight may be lost.  The ID laws may stay on the books forever.  And so as sick as it is, people without ID may very well be legally prevented from voting!!!!

                    Given that, I argue that in addition to the court and legal fights, everyone who CAN get an ID, MUST get an ID now, to be ready to vote.  Telling people not to make the effort may cost them their vote.

                    Listen, the GOP is doing everything it can to disenfranchise voters, and neither of us know how the court fight will turn out.  They may win the legal battle.  Now we also know that most elections are not decided by a few votes.  Yes, it is evil that some very old or disabled people may not be able to get an ID in time.  But many, many more people WILL be able to get IDs.

                    The voting rate in this country is pathetic.  More people don't vote out of sheer lazyness than are ever prevented from voting.  If everyone who CAN get an ID does, and everyone who CAN vote does, then we will win the '12 elections and be able to undo the damage. even with some disenfranchisement.

                    Are you willing to fight, or are you going to take it lying down?  The GOP must be laughing its ass off right now at OWS, knowing that all it takes to break us is requiring a long bus ride to get an ID.

        •  I'm 60 (damn near 61) (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't drive, I've never had a licence, I have an eye condition that would make me a hazard on the road. I also live in a small town that was much smaller until the housing boom. I went for years without an ID of any kind.

          I eventually got a State ID. It costs around $10 IIRC and I have to renew it every ten years, in fact I have to renew this year. I can afford it, but here's the deal. I've never had to use it to vote until the last election.

          I have my voter registration card and have lived in the same place for 21yrs.  I checked and here are our requirements. I could easily meet them and not have to pay a red cent. IMO, they are more than sufficient.

          "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

          by high uintas on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:06:02 PM PDT

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