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  •  "Shucking and Jiving"? (3+ / 0-)
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    Inland, rcnewton, dotsright

    You couldn't think of another way to get your meaning across?

    •  and (6+ / 0-)

      why not tell the truth of what his performance is?

      Cain is a new age race minstrel. I have said that elsewhere to much complaint and attention. I repeat it here as well.

      •  if you would have made a "shuck and jive" (2+ / 0-)
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        reference  about obama, people around here would have shunned you as a racist. the hypocrisy around here is starting to burn.

        In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. -John Adams

        by rcnewton on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:34:24 PM PDT

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        •  beware (2+ / 0-)
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          the common right wing canard that is false equivalence, the "both sides do it" lie.

          Herman Cain is performing a very different type of blackness and negritude than is Barack Obama. Whatever one thinks of Obama's policies he is really a model of black respectability, success, comportment, and in some ways genius.

          Cain is the anti-Obama. Take that as you would have it.

          Herman Cain, a Morehouse graduate and a rocket scientist is acting like a semi-literate black sharecropper and/or happy slave right out of the worst part of the white racial id and Jim Crow imagination.  

          Thus, to say that Obama shucks and jives for white folks in the same way that Cain puts on the metaphorical cork to please white conservatives as their lapdog and supplicant would be patently untrue.

          Cain is playing a game here. The next thing you know he is going to say that slavery was good for black Americans because it got us out of Africa, brought us Christian values, and taught us discipline.

          Trust me, he will go there.

          •  Here's the thing... (0+ / 0-)

            When Andrew Cuomo used the phrase "shuck and jive" about Obama in 2008, he was excoriated over it, and it wasn't, for the most part, because people thought the term was inaccurately applied.  The bulk of the criticism, as I recall it, was because people felt the phrase shouldn't be used regarding a person of color, period.  

    •  lets call it what it is. (8+ / 0-)

      it's not racist to say Cain is putting on a show for white people when it's true.

      This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

      by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:38:33 PM PDT

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    •  ummm, (5+ / 0-)

      No...I think the diarist got right.

    •  The meaning is dead on (8+ / 0-)

      I wouldn't use the term as a white person, mind. But the meaning and context here make it utterly appropriate IMO.

      I'll expand that.

      Cain is playing a role. Cain is playing a role for the benefit of white conservatives, and no, I don't mean because of his politics. I mean because of his race.

      It's like watching Aunt Jemima play a role for white people. Or any mammy role anywhere, for white people. Or every damned Wise Old Black Man role that Morgan Freeman has ever played (not to pick on him, exactly, I enjoy him, but his roles fall frighteningly often under what Spike Lee termed the "Magical Negro").

      It's a marketing gig, and it's a racially loaded one, including Cain's use of language. So I find the language here used to describe the phenomenon to be more than appropriate.

      •  I agree, Spit (2+ / 0-)
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        Like you, I also wouldn't use the same language but I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable with Cain's performance and even more so with the comments of unrepentant racists, Coulter and Limbaugh:

        Ann Coulter On Herman Cain: 'Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks' (VIDEO)

        Coulter brought things back to race, saying that some women had been quick to forgive Bill Clinton for his sexual transgressions, but were attacking Herman Cain. "If you are a conservative black, they will believe the most horrible sexualized fantasies of these uptight white feminists," she said.

        I recognize that both Coulter and Limbaugh are out of their element and both have, perhaps unwittingly, managed to tap into the not so subconscious thoughts and feelings of the republican base.

        Despite what the polls say, I don't believe that the idea of a black man being accused of harassing a woman is as easily dismissed as the Cain campaign would like.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:02:05 PM PDT

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        •  There are more complexities in that (1+ / 0-)
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          than I can shake a sociologist at. To be honest, I have zero idea how it's all going to play out.

          But I'm sure we can trust Coulter and Limbaugh to present everything involved with care for and with full understanding of the long and twisty sets of historical context here, for sure. Yep. That's going to go well.


          •  No kidding! (1+ / 0-)
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            Coulter especially has her own issues and her reference to Clinton is very telling.  She cannot let this go because she was on one of the legal teams which represented Paula Jones in her sexual harassment case.  I posted the link to Wiki-Coulter and excerpts on another comment, but it explains a lot about her life and career.

            As far as tapping into the "sexualized fantasies of the uptight white feminists", she is just poking at a hornet's nest on that one.  As you say, "long and twisty sets of historical context..." and if the republicans and Baggers were having a hard time repressing their stereotypical images of a black man, "harassment" of any kind is going to push some buttons.  

            May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:32:52 PM PDT

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            •  there are treatises (2+ / 0-)
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              to be written on the psycho sexual dynamics of the right's support for herb cain.

              if the accusers are indeed white women, and i am damn sure they are, Cain is done for. i would love to have a peek inside the average limbaugh fox coulter supplicant when they have to sort out that cognitive dissonance.

              •  We don't have to probe too far into the (0+ / 0-)

                subconscious minds of Dittoheads and Coulterites to know that the Cain candidacy has been one hell of a culture shock and as we know, conservatives do not like change.

                As you point out, Cain has managed to fit into a comfortable niche in the minds of some republicans and with the blessing of the Koch brothers, has had a fairly easy time of it.

                I focused on the psycho-sexual dynamics almost immediately after the Politico story broke.  I'm 60ish and qualify as one of Coulter's liberal "white feminists" with a long history of being sexually harassed in the work place and always by men who were in positions higher than mine.  It's always about power, no matter what the underlying reason.

                The accusations against Cain of harassment are tapping into the subconscious minds of those plantation minded white republicans who neither want a black man to have power nor do they want him to be the stereotypical threat to "their" women.

                I've been reading some of your previous Diaries and have been unsure how to respond, but this one struck the right chord with me.  Thanks.

                May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 04:33:36 PM PDT

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    •  that was the entire point of the title. (0+ / 0-)

      calm down.

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