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  •  I know she votes as a teabagger. You know that. (3+ / 0-)

    But that's NOT the message that's going to resonate here in Maine, when you've got the newspapers singing her "moderate" bona fides.

    The message that she voted against an infrastructure/jobs bill, and feels that tax cuts for the rich will magically create jobs? THOSE have a much better chance of getting through.

    Regards,
    Corporate Dog

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    We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

    by Corporate Dog on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 12:07:40 PM PDT

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    •  And that's why Rove keeps winning. (0+ / 0-)

      Because we categorically refuse to adopt the tactics of his which are value-neutral.

      Nobody beats an incumbent with a 60% approval rating talking about "voting against infrastructure."  How the hell do you think swing voters make their decisions?  They like her and feel she shares their values, or they don't.  They don't look up voting records.

      Not everybody is like us.  If you want to run campaigns which will only appeal to us, then you can count on getting 20% of the vote reliably.  You have to meet people where they're at.  "Moderates" are incapable of caring about policy; they're far too ignorant and they know it.  They know about personality and values, and they know when someone appreciates them enough to discuss the polity on their level.

      The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

      "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

      by Punditus Maximus on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 02:04:19 PM PDT

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      •  OK. Then it's Snowe's personality and "values"... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... against your label.

        And you LOSE in that matchup. Her personality and "values" are far too ingrained in the minds of Mainers. There are Democrats who will reliably vote for her time and time again, for christsakes.

        You call her a teabagger, and it doesn't mesh with what these voters "know" about her. She certainly doesn't pose for photo-ops with Tea Party groups. And the fact that she's getting a challenge from the right, instantly discredits what you're trying to communicate.

        If what you're REALLY trying to say is that the way she votes isn't entirely different from the way members of Congress with Tea Party credentials vote, then just fucking SAY that. Talk about her voting record. Talk about things that WILL resonate with these voters: jobs and the economy.

        The Occupy movement is largely successful, because even if they don't have an consistent, lockstep message, everyone GETS that the wealthy are responsible for the problems with our economy, and don't pull their weight in society. So hit her on THAT basis, with the votes she's cast on behalf of the 1%.

        It has nothing to do with a willingness to play dirty. It has everything to do with the fact that trying to stick a label on her has NEVER worked and never WILL work so long as the local newsmedia is in her corner, ever ready with a gushing personal interest story about how both the left and right hate her, so she must be doing SOMETHING right.

        Regards,
        Corporate Dog

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        by Corporate Dog on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 02:30:22 PM PDT

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        •  Go after her strength. (0+ / 0-)

          That's Rove's lesson, which you are refusing to learn.

          The good news is, you'll probably get your wish.  The bad news is, you'll also get your preferred campaign's inevitable result.

          The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

          "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

          by Punditus Maximus on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 03:34:18 PM PDT

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          •  By calling her a teabagger? (1+ / 0-)
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            THAT'S what you call going after her strength?

            Her strength is in the perception that she's a moderate who charts her own path, and isn't afraid to buck her own party.

            And you go after that strength by showing how much her path is actually charted by wealthy elitists, how beholden she is to them and their money, and how often she votes in lockstep with her party.

            Regards,
            Corporate Dog

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            We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

            by Corporate Dog on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 04:55:12 PM PDT

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            •  That's what I said. (0+ / 0-)

              Call her a Teabagger.  Are you under the impression that Teabaggers are something other than charted by wealthy elitists, beholden to them and their money, voting in lockstep with their party?

              The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

              "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

              by Punditus Maximus on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 09:49:20 AM PST

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              •  Do you really not understand (2+ / 0-)
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                that if you tried to campaign by calling Snowe a Tea Party member, Maine voters would laugh you out of the state? It doesn't matter that you think a moderate member of the Republican establishment is a "Teabagger." Your opinion will not turn any elections in Maine.

                Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                by MichaelNY on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 11:51:20 AM PST

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              •  Meet a guy who's challenging her from the Right. (2+ / 0-)
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                A guy who doesn't shirk the Tea Party label. He wears it like a badge of stupid pride:

                http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

                So long as THIS guy exists, you get laughed out of town by calling HER a Teabagger, WITHOUT discussing her voting record.

                Because THIS guy is the Teabagger Gold Standard. He eats conspiracy theory, shits anger, and wipes his ass with the Constitution, while humming the Battle Hymn of the Republic under a giant Gadsden Flag.

                Regards,
                Corporate Dog

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                We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

                by Corporate Dog on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:41:45 PM PST

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                •  Wow, you're really upset. (0+ / 0-)

                  This is amazing.  You're actually seriously unhappy that someone is suggesting a longshot approach for a Democratic candidate who otherwise has no chance of possibly winning.

                  On the internet.

                  Sure, don't call her a Teabagger.  Call her "weak and beholden to Teabaggers."  Tweak, the message, whatever.  But "Voted against infrastructure" is a one way ticket to a trivia question answer, and the reason you're so prickly about this is that you know it.

                  The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

                  "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

                  by Punditus Maximus on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 08:28:42 AM PST

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                  •  Heh. No. I'm really not. (0+ / 0-)

                    You weren't lying when you suggested that you've studied Rove, though.

                    "He's a gay heathen!", shouted the good Reverend Haggard.

                    You're actually seriously unhappy that someone is suggesting a longshot approach for a Democratic candidate who otherwise has no chance of possibly winning.

                    It's more mild amusement that an out-of-stater thinks he's got the solution to the ever present problem of Snowe's cross-aisle popularity, and that solution is to subjectively pin her to a group that she's objectively never been associated with.

                    And while such a thing COULD be argued at the voting level, said Robert Langdon believes that the people who would vote for her are simpletons with short attention spans, who won't go in for explanations that are predicated on her Congressional votes.

                    But "Voted against infrastructure" is a one way ticket to a trivia question answer, and the reason you're so prickly about this is that you know it.

                    Call it "Voted against the President's jobs bill." then. That's the main point: she doesn't care about the 99%.

                    On the internet.

                    Funny thing about the internet? You can't possibly see that I consider this back-and-forth we've got going on, here, to be a fun diversion from my work-a-day grind.

                    Regards,
                    Corporate Dog

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                    We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

                    by Corporate Dog on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 09:38:49 AM PST

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