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  •  Are you listening Mr President? Because you better (17+ / 0-)

    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:12:27 PM PST

    •  why should he? (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Will he give his base shit end of the stick again? (6+ / 0-)

        He should be worried.

        Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

        by Lefty Coaster on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:18:27 PM PST

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        •  the same base that allowed the GOP to take over... (3+ / 0-)
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          Congress because they didnt get a public option?  Now they are in a worse position because the wackos in congress wont approve anything.

          •  Right after Obama gave us shit end of HCR stick (12+ / 0-)

            while cutting special deals for Big Pharma and all the for profit providers who got the golden end of the stick.

            Has Obama learned from dumping on his base right before an election?

            We'll see.

            Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

            by Lefty Coaster on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:30:36 PM PST

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          •  Cut the crap now. Most voters are pro-environment (9+ / 0-)

            The green base will not vote Republican. In 2010 it was the young people and groups that take work & motivation to get to the polls that didn't show up.

            Gas prices in the midwest will go up if the XL pipeline is built. Texas refineries will sell diesel to Europe, the Caribbean and central America if the XL is built.

            Killing the XL is good politics in the U.S.

            look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "Forgive them; for they know not what they do."

            by FishOutofWater on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:45:15 PM PST

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            •  he won't do it for political reasons, (2+ / 0-)
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              I've been in the climate / environment battle more or less full time for twenty years, and however passionately I and thousands of others have argued that it should be, climate change has never been a factor in an election, and won't be this time.  But Obama might do it for all the right reasons, the critical reasons, the line in the sand reasons. I hope so.  And  given that, I'd be immensely impressed - all the better on him if he does.

              wherin we share a community blog for common goals for humanity. http://www.worldforallpeople.org

              by worldforallpeopleorg on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 05:34:33 PM PST

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            •  Plus the teabaggers were in full frenzy... (1+ / 0-)
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              whipped to a patriotic fervor by the Foxaganda network and lots of Koch brothers money.

              In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. John Adams

              by blue armadillo on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 06:49:13 PM PST

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          •  You are so full of already disproven lies. (8+ / 0-)

            Liberals voted in '10 the same they always do in midterms.  Democrats lost Independents and youth demographics.  The base turned out, as they always do.

          •  Don't EVER Place Blame Where it Belongs (1+ / 0-)
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            If a politician and his party betray the promises they made to the people who flocked to the polls in record numbers to support them, and some of those voters lose the motivation to vote for that politician and party again, it is NOT the fault of the voters.

            That's the problem with you cheer leaders. You don't understand that it's up to the politicians you have your love affair with to motivate the rest of us to vote for them. It's not our job to vote for them just because what lies behind door number 2 is even worse.

            The only ones that allowed the GOP to take over were Barack Obama and the Democrats. And there's a LONG list of reasons why, the public option being only one of many. Sadly.

        •  Except that Trumka and the unions are for it. (4+ / 0-)
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          You have to admit that this is more complicated than "Corporations vs. Base"—it's one portion of the historic Democratic base (unions) versus another (environmentalists).

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:26:04 PM PST

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          •  Trumpa sees long-term clean up jobs? (1+ / 0-)
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            Oil spills into the Yellowstone River will create dozens of clean up jobs.

            look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "Forgive them; for they know not what they do."

            by FishOutofWater on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:47:00 PM PST

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          •  Unions care about unions (0+ / 0-)

            Trumka would be in favor of child sex trafficking if he thought there was union power to be gleaned.  These guys routinely sell the planet and people's health down the river for their own gain.  They're just like oil companies, wiling to fucj everyone else over if you wave money in front of them

            Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

            by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 08:49:59 AM PST

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            •  hmm. Does your comment represent the views (0+ / 0-)

              of "true environmentalists" or "true progressvies" or just yourself?

              •  some of each (0+ / 0-)

                I think some environmentalists, but not all by any means, especially in California, are still pretty irked that we have moblized for some union priorities, only to see some major pieces of environmental legislation surrounding renewable energy and clean air in particular scuttled or attacked by heavy lobbying by unions.  If there's some animoisty there, it is well earned. In any event, if we can get unions what they need, that's great, but I think we learned a while ago not to look for any support coming back.  

                So, does it suprise me that Trumka would ignore the potential planet killing-job killing aspects of this if the jobs killed aren't union ones?

                Based on past performance, no, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

                Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

                by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 04:58:20 PM PST

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      •  You are exacly right. If President Obama (5+ / 0-)

        is only interested in filling his coffers, why should he listen to us. We cannot possibly give him the big bucks.

        You are also right in that President Obama seems to think that moderate voters will vote for him due to "this being a jobs bill" as YOU tout as well.

        But will moderate voters really have that understanding? They might after billions of ad money is spent telling them that. These corporations won't pay taxes but they fund media. And so does MEDIA have an interest in telling a full story here? Does the President? And the smarmy story coming out of the State Dept. was not edifying.

        SO we go into this to feather people's nests, to keep people in power. TO HELL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES!

        Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain

        by glitterscale on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 05:32:53 PM PST

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      •  There is no reason for him to (0+ / 0-)

        He will get far more campaign contributions for oil companies than he'd lose from voters.   The fact that he has a chance to do the right thing where Congress can't stop him probably hasn't occurred to him.  Hell tout the discredited 20k jobs number to the hilt

        Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

        by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 08:46:24 AM PST

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