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  •  Except that Trumka and the unions are for it. (4+ / 0-)
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    You have to admit that this is more complicated than "Corporations vs. Base"—it's one portion of the historic Democratic base (unions) versus another (environmentalists).

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:26:04 PM PST

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    •  Trumpa sees long-term clean up jobs? (1+ / 0-)
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      Oil spills into the Yellowstone River will create dozens of clean up jobs.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "Forgive them; for they know not what they do."

      by FishOutofWater on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:47:00 PM PST

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    •  Unions care about unions (0+ / 0-)

      Trumka would be in favor of child sex trafficking if he thought there was union power to be gleaned.  These guys routinely sell the planet and people's health down the river for their own gain.  They're just like oil companies, wiling to fucj everyone else over if you wave money in front of them

      Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 08:49:59 AM PST

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      •  hmm. Does your comment represent the views (0+ / 0-)

        of "true environmentalists" or "true progressvies" or just yourself?

        •  some of each (0+ / 0-)

          I think some environmentalists, but not all by any means, especially in California, are still pretty irked that we have moblized for some union priorities, only to see some major pieces of environmental legislation surrounding renewable energy and clean air in particular scuttled or attacked by heavy lobbying by unions.  If there's some animoisty there, it is well earned. In any event, if we can get unions what they need, that's great, but I think we learned a while ago not to look for any support coming back.  

          So, does it suprise me that Trumka would ignore the potential planet killing-job killing aspects of this if the jobs killed aren't union ones?

          Based on past performance, no, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

          Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

          by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 04:58:20 PM PST

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