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  •  Other nations have done better than us and (7+ / 0-)

    China. Us and China seem determined to f**k the planet.

    Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain

    by glitterscale on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 05:20:52 PM PST

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    •  Don't forget Canada (4+ / 0-)

      They are the ones responsible for oil sands development, after all.  Disgustingly high emissions for a country of only 30 million, and they just elected a do-nothing Harper majority government.

    •  China is pursuing a LOT of alternative energy. (4+ / 0-)

      China, with 20% of the world's population...and after having much of their accessible land clear-cut by Mao during his destructive reign...had no choice but to use fossil fuels.  That is changing, however.  

      Not only is it good for them, it will also end up being extremely profitable.  

      As the US keeps its mind closed for the sake of a quick black greasy buck, the Chinese are researching and developing new energy technologies that the US will probably one day be buying from them.  AND bitching the whole time about how unfair it all is.

      China has a gigantic, fouled environmental ship to turn around, but they're aware of it and taking their own future much more seriously than the US is taking its own.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 12:20:06 AM PST

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      •  China is scrambling madly just to produce (0+ / 0-)

        as much power as it can to keep those sweatshop factories going. They ARE using solar and wind and I saw first hand evidence of it. But at the same time, they are producing and selling reg cars using oil at record rates. I am not sure that they are setting colas for these cars and I don't know if they are pushing hybrids. It has been 3 years since I was there.

        Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain

        by glitterscale on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 06:11:12 PM PST

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        •  They have a looooong way to go, yes. (1+ / 0-)
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          But they're working on technologies that aren't in use yet.  What they're using now and what they will be using/manufacturing/exporting in the future are very different.

          And perhaps China's motivation is 100% selfish with a goal of dominating future world markets...with no concern about the environment or well-being of its population - unlike the US...cough...cough...

          The US is a flaming Nero fiddling while its country burns.

          Too many Americans believe the Chinese are no more than bellicose Maoist thugs...uneducated throngs of skinny little people too stupid to learn English...and too primitive to understand the value of a modernity which offers superior attributes such as reality TV.

          Rather than underestimating the Chinese, among several other countries/cultures, the US is infected with overestimating itself.  One day the teevee will ask us: "Who could have known?"

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 09:30:56 PM PST

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