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  •  Dont vote for Obama if you dont want to, but (8+ / 0-)

    you arent really teaching him a lesson by not voting for him.

    I'm sure losing would be a bit tough on him, but fast forward a few months, and he is probably going to be sitting on beach in Hawaii, and you are going to be watching President Romney replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg with a 45 year old right winger.

    •  While true, I might be more (2+ / 0-)
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      agreeable to that continuing line IF we could impeach Justice Thomas and his partners in crime. Hell I would have be ecstatic if we punish Bush and Cheney for torture and if we ......

      Oh hell.

      Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain

      by glitterscale on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 06:28:43 PM PST

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    •  Look, this debate has been waged ad nauseum, (13+ / 0-)

      and, by now, no one is going to be persuaded beyond the position they've already staked out.

      I do, however, owe you the courtesy of a response:

      My intention to withhold my vote from Obama has nothing to do with "punishing" him individually.

      It is my conviction that 30+ years of voting for the "lesser of two evils" has been hugely responsible for moving our party to the right. Dems have learned that they can freely take buckets of money from the PTB, and do their quid pro quo bidding, with no electoral consequences.

      I have finally reached my personal "no more."

      I believe that if millions of other Dem voters made that same personal decision, our elected Dem representatives would either rediscover, and work to implement, the party platform, or wither away for failure to do so (and be replaced by a more progressive party willing to buck the PTB).

      Most kossacks look in the mirror and say, "I can't allow a Mittster to sit in the Oval Office and nominate the next Supreme Court Justice."

      I look in the mirror and say, "I can no longer play a part in the ongoing evisceration of the party ideals that represent the best of what America can be."

      I'm not going to convince you of my position, nor will you convince me of yours. But please, don't trivialize my commitment to hold Democrats accountable for their governance.

      Daily Kos seems to be occupied by "Time, Place and Manner" trolls. What part of "civil disobedience" is so difficult to understand?

      by WisePiper on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 07:02:22 PM PST

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      •  You are certainly entitled to your (6+ / 0-)

        position. I just think the 2000 election and the eight years that followed are great rebuttal to your theory.

        •  Unfortunately, (8+ / 0-)

          The 3 years since do little to make your case. I'm not sure the 8 years before that do either once one looks at the real long term damage that Clinton's policies did -- signing of NAFTA, repeal of Glass-Steagal, communications reform that allowed unprecedented media consolidation, etc.

          Sure Obama is not as scary as Bush. But that's really not saying much when you look at the minor changes in policies over the last 3 years.

          I voted for Obama but I'm on the fence right now as to whether I will vote at all in 2012. The only real hope for change that I see in this country is OWS.

          •  I know that I will vote ... (2+ / 0-)
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            I do not know if I will donate to or work for the re-elect campaign when there are down-ticket campaigns that are appealing and needing help.

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            by A Siegel on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 07:02:41 AM PST

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          •  And the eight years of Bush's presidency? (2+ / 0-)
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            His SCOTUS appointees often make the difference in 5-4 decisions. Imagine two Gore appointees instead, and we probably dont have Citizens United ruled the way it was.

            Would Gore have been an incredibly progressive president? Probably not, by this site's standard, in part because he would have a GOP House. But I dont think we would have had the Bush tax cuts or the Iraq war. Think of how different the country would be as result of that.

      •  You and your rec-ers have got to be among the (0+ / 0-)

        most selfish people in the history of mankind.  Because no viable politician meets your self-righteous standards, you're willing to screw over the entire world and pat yoruself on the back in the process.  

        And I have a notion that a good percentage of you and your rec'ers are among the very wealthy kossacks that Quantcast stats indicate dominate this site, wealthy enough that you can easily afford to screw the world over in a pique of pompous "integrity", secure in the knowledge that you have the means to very easily live through the carnage.  Meanwhile, those who can't afford the consequences of the manifestations of your self-righteousness will have to struggle through.

        Why the hell are you even at this site, whcih is about electing Dems?

        •  And you fail to see the damage a right wing (1+ / 0-)
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          Democratic party has done and continues to do to the poor and middle class.

          The Democrats have no problems cutting and reforming the social safety net.

          The Democrats cut Welfare.

          The Democrats repealed Glass Steagel.

          How many reforms/cuts to the social safety net under 8 years of

          Democrats adopted all of the best RW parts of the Heritage Foundation's plan and Romneycare while throwing out the parts that weren't, like public option, pharma negotiated pricing and now, most recently, Long-Term Care coverage.

          There has been more damage done to the poor and middle class under DEM presidents.

          DC Democrats are just moderate conservatives now, and are getting cover to enact moderage conservative policies.

          That what the anger is about.

          And it will continue here and on every truly Democratic Blog until the party corrects itself.

    •  It's not about teaching anyone a lesson (2+ / 0-)
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      A Siegel, esquimaux

      It's about what you're willing to morally affirm with your vote.

      No nation can be great if it allows its elites to loot with impunity and prosecutes its whistleblowers. Geithner is destroying the things that made America great. -- Bill Black, white-collar criminologist & a former senior financial regulator

      by jboxman on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 08:27:45 PM PST

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    •  If his loss prompts the Dems to try and figure out (0+ / 0-)

      why they are not inspiring Dems to vote, then it would be worth it.

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