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  •  did any of these zygote + person people (11+ / 0-)

    state what is to be done with all the miscarried fetuses...
    (let's assume that the woman wanted to have a baby but when she was three months pregnant, she spontaneously aborted)  Now do we have a funeral with casket and full religious rites?  
    I am not being silly .. if all fertilized eggs are people, but something happens to prevent live birth, particularly early in pregnancy, what do we do with these "human" remains?

    (I had a friend who during the second month of pregnancy spontaneously aborted.  She had not even been to the doctor's yet to confirm her pregnancy... she had just missed one period .. and she had made an appointment.  But the day before, she started bleeding and then she thought that her period had just come late.  But she went to the doctor's anyway, and after some testing, she learned that she had been pregnant ...)

    So what do we do with all these remains, which probably increase in 'personhood' passes.  Women will have to stay pregnant, but pre-natal services are being cut all over, thus increasing the chances of spontaneous abortions....

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    by moonbatlulu on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 03:50:00 PM PST

    •  How about "conception" certificates rather (8+ / 0-)

      than birth certificates.  What happens when a miscarriage happens, do they make a death certificate? If there is no corresponding birth certificate, isn't that a problem?  If there is no death certificate, then what made that fetus a person?  I agree with the corporate personhood concept.  Personhood can only be bestowed on someone that got conceived.  I guess a corporation does go from conception to birth (making it a corporation might be considered a birth), but then how can corporations be immortal?  Chevy is celebrating its 100th year and the phone company name is well over 100 years.  If a corporation buys a gadget with a lifetime warranty, does that mean forever?  I think this whole personhood thing is ridiculous.  Births and deaths have been happening for years.  Until they can change my DNA so I can live forever and maybe get myself incorporated, I don't think conception is a person, nor is a corporation.  I hope Mississippi is smarter than this.  Colorado rejected this concept twice.  I think that should have settled it.  I guess the supporters figure Mississippi people aren't as smart as Colorado people, so it would be easier to pull the wool over their eyes.  I truly hope not, for their own sake.  I live in California and I'm male and old and white, so as minorities go, nobody cares about what I think, but then again, it doesn't matter for me anyway.  

      "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength", George Orwell, "1984" -7.63 -5.95

      by dangoch on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 04:19:53 PM PST

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      •  I misspoke (or mistyped) (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't agree with corporate personhood.  I agree with the diarist about his views on corporate personhood, as I later stated.  If you weren't a zygote, you can't be a person and if you aren't a person, you have no constitutional rights, including free speech.  And as that goes, it would be ok if corporations freely spoke, but I don't see giving millions to campaigns is free.  And they will say that they should be able to do both.  Not if it disrupts the election cycle.  And if they don't intend to disrupt the election cycle, what is Rove and Dickie Army doing?  I think you might call what they are doing is criminal and maybe even treasonous.  They are buying votes, plain and simple.  Nobody should be allowed to buy votes, even the rich billionaire.  A consensus on the people in fundraising and votes is the only way election campaigns should be allowed to occur.  Any mass injection of money from any source is illegal.  That might affect trade unions too, but so be it.  If unions can talk their people into volunteering for campaigns, that is fine.  Same for corporations.  You can't pay them, they have to volunteer.  Good luck with that concept.  

        "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength", George Orwell, "1984" -7.63 -5.95

        by dangoch on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 04:30:59 PM PST

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