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  •  Bullshit #1 (0+ / 0-)
    In majority white spaces, those decisions and rules are always racialized.

    Nobody knows what race you are unless you tell them.

    Insightful comments are welcomed regardless of the source.

    Bullshit rants with no possibility of communication get ignored.

    -7.75 -4.67

    "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

    There are no Christians in foxholes.

    by Odysseus on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:32:35 PM PST

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      finger into mouth an insert vomiting.

      do you really believe what you just wrote

      how privileged of you!

    •  Well then you aren't very perspective. (3+ / 0-)
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      Because he kinda made it clear in his profile.  That is, if you were so inclined to bother to look, since it seems to be a point with you.

      See how that works?

      "The bottom line is, we've got to wake up. We can't allow our disappointment in Obama to lull us into allowing a truly dangerous strain of conservative philosophy to gain any more traction than it already has." --ObamOcala 4/5/11

      by smoothnmellow on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 12:27:51 AM PST

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      •  Why would I be inclined to look? (0+ / 0-)

        Race is not a motivator for me.  You're correct that by ignoring race I'm ignoring many social cues.  But I thought that ignoring those cues was the point and a good thing, since they all seem to be negative.

        -7.75 -4.67

        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 08:31:36 AM PST

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        •  the sickness has you (3+ / 0-)
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          "Race is not a motivator for me."

          Deep statement.

          "But I thought that ignoring those cues was the point and a good thing, since they all seem to be negative."

          Damn. Read that aloud to yourself.

          Conservative colorblind orthodoxy has really infected so many people--it is so deep even those who in theory stand against the Right reproduce by its logic and the logic that permits modern/institutional racism to do so much harm.

          •  Ideas that transcend race are conservative? (0+ / 0-)

            "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.  Among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

            Governments are enacted among men to secure these rights for all citizens.

            That's the goal.  Tactics are good if they support goals.  I'm not married to any one tactic.

            -7.75 -4.67

            "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

            There are no Christians in foxholes.

            by Odysseus on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:54:20 AM PST

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            •  you keep playing yourself, you know that? (3+ / 0-)
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              do a little work on the framers and how the Constitution is a product of a very narrow conception of personhood and humanity.

              black folks have forced the Constitution to live up to its potential.

              Charles Mills has some great writing on this in his work on race, herrenvolk ideologies, the racial contract, and white supremacy. Check him out.

              the document was not perfect in its conception--far from it.

              do a little more work on race and neoliberalism. in particular just go a basic google search of "colorblind racism."

              you may learn something before its done...obligatory fat albert and the cosby kids reference.

              keep swinging Odysseus, you may hit something more than air soon!

              •  Every picture tells a story and a lie. (0+ / 0-)

                You've told me how my picture lies to you.
                How does your picture lie to me?

                -7.75 -4.67

                "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

                There are no Christians in foxholes.

                by Odysseus on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 11:54:49 AM PST

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          •  chaunceydevega, this comment is a hard one (5+ / 0-)

            for me to digest or wrap my mind around.  And has brought tears to my heart.

             

            "the sickness has you"
             "Race is not a motivator for me."
            and
            Conservative colorblind orthodoxy has really infected so many people--it is so deep even those who in theory stand against the Right reproduce by its logic and the logic that permits modern/institutional racism to do so much harm

             I am one of a time & place that did not have the more nuanced or knowledge based tools available today.

             In that time and place, making choices, listening hard, seeing hard, standing up+ speaking out in solidarity. Over time these tools becoming less radical; more commonplace.  

            These same tools I taught my children-surrounded them with-along with the voices I listened to in my own time.  And the concept of being "color blind".

            It's all I had; the only things I knew to do to perpetuate the ripple effects.  To be the change no matter how small my actions in the larger scheme of things.

            Now as I  read this comment, I am having an oh shite moment complicated by flashbacks of decades lived from the '50s to now.  

            Assuming my tools had worked.  Minds-eye seeing the change perpetuated as first born toddler calls out & effectively silences grandparents on use of racial epithets.....as one child's teen hero is King the other child's hero is Malcolm, as they both retained & expanded the "color blindness" far into adulthood in both mores and active seeing+listening+doing.

            I see my grandchildren's most recent photos with best friends going trick or treating & my heart smiles knowing that in my own youth in the south and elsewhere, these photos would not be.  These grands who live in a society that neither their parents or grandparents lived in.

            And more.  So much more.

            My little saga comment is no doubt reflective of many of my generation.  Some of us shed blood, some shed lives & blood in ways revolutionary for the times.  Some of us loud; some of us quiet. Keep on no matter the cost.

             Using the tools we had.  Old worn out tools now, I suppose.  Old worn out words replaced by words not easily understood or recognized to some of us elders.

             New words or phrases that can bewilder or with one stroke can negate or muddle one's life long struggle or battle.

            Hard one for sure & brings tears & alarm.  And a need to say I am sorry as tears flow & I look at my now 3 gens & say oh shite.

            •  BEAUTIFUL comment. (4+ / 0-)
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              seriously.  very moving.

              This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

              by mallyroyal on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 11:17:58 AM PST

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            •  can you clarify (2+ / 0-)
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              is it that we have not come that far? or the realities of how white supremacy still has folks?

              i call Whiteness a sickness for it is. but remember Whiteness does not necessarily have anything to do with all white people.

              •  what I gleaned from that comment was a person (4+ / 0-)
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                who was shaken out of their comfort zone, and who was, in real time, processing the revelation that the 'colorblind' thought process may have had some pitfalls.

                but obviously I'll let worldlotus speak for him or herself.

                This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

                by mallyroyal on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 01:23:40 PM PST

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              •  Some hours have passed since I wrote my comment (1+ / 0-)
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                from the heart & tears.  Tears remain.  I still need to process what you have written, the comments I've read thus far & how shaken I am over revelations (that I currently wish had been available to me over 40 years ago, btw)

                I am torn right now.  I am torn between the oh shite feeling of having failed or accidently perpetuated onto 2 gens what I never wanted a part of & the reality of having lived through certain eras & seeing what once was not remotely a possibilty.  Seeing my own children & now my grands working along side, living amongst, playing with, loving & respecting people as human beings without labels- based on mutual respect and honor and commonalities.

                I admit to being raised in a priviledged societal background by educated bigoted white people (one more so than the other).  I admit to never having laid eyes on a black peer until late in high school nor a black neighbor until I lived in Europe in the 70's & then not again until the very late 1980's (despite living all over this country & other countries).  I admit to being a 60's idealists & I admit to surrounding my children to cultures, to the idea(s) of color blindness, racial blindness, class blindness, gender understandings, religious tolerance from the time they were aware enough until this day.  I also taught them to search hard for truths on any given subject, to use critical thinking skills & nourish empathy.

                And I pointed out their own multi level heritage, the cruel injustices & madness done to others over centuries in the name of whatever flavor of the day it was-long before their minds could fully comprehend...

                I did this for many reasons.  There was a lot of societal & human "things" that finally met & turned into fireshitestorms during my own wonder years-especially so around 1969 & intensified.

                 Many "wars" on many fronts seemingly all at once & part of a collective conciousness.

                 A rejection of norms.  An embrace of new vision(s); a veritable frontier of new societal norms...

                 I suppose, we each have our own moments, just as we each have our own experiences, stories, that in aggregate can make the aha moment-the human metamorphosis moment ( In my mind, a work never really complete).

                 Events along the way helped shape the inherent me, but none with the impact of the late 60's to about '75.  Perhaps my own DNA or otherness contributed-who really knows..

                Whatever may be the case, I was not taking any chances on events or DNA or society to teach my children what I had learned & was still learning.

                40ish years seems like a long time. But is it really in respect to evolving societial norms?  I don't know-sometimes I am appalled at what is not and other times I recall the long long long walk of the many soldiers that chose the road less travelled & marvel at what was accomplished in so little time.

                 Whereas I once did the same measurement via peers of all stripes, nowadays I tend to measure progress via the now adult children of those foot soldiers.  Jury is still out but I have had many unique or astonishing revelations just over the past 15 years.  

                Those of us who believed that change started within us were very serious about the gifts we presented towards that enduring change.  Our greatest gift being our children.  Despite our own shortsightedness or flaws, I believe this to have been largely successful.

                As for this:

                is it that we have not come that far?
                or the realities of how white supremacy still has folks?

                My personal take is both yes & no.  I mentioned only my own living decades which now includes two other generations.  Yes, we came very far within specific generational timeframes.  But not so much for other generations that came before.  Clearly not far enough.

                The realities of white supremacy (or any supremacy) goes back centuries & to my mind appears ageless.  Of course it still has hold of folks-any & every where.  The question that remains for me in my twilighting years is why & how.

                Ironic sort of analogy occurred last eve with my #2, thirty something, highly educated child.  Who proclaimed to me that it boggles the mind how the rest of the world managed not to starve before the discovery of the Americas. Lengthy discussions followed proclaimation.

                The gist of child #2's revelation firstly surrounded the blue-purple potato & caused further research & insights on this human's part- producing ripple effects.  New insights.  New eyes.  New awareness.  Especially so re indigenious peoples & (true)global inter connectedness.

                A simple analogy, yet methinks one worth pondering  about the merits of sharing information or knowledge that creates curiosity enough to produce "ripple effects"...

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