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  •  Last I checked, epithets for Jews (14+ / 0-)

    were not used as sports team names, nor are they represented as sports mascots or Halloween costumes in the US to mock their genocide.

    Last I checked, Jews had their own independent nation.

    Last I checked, Jews had full religious rights in a number of countries. American Indians have are denied their religious rights in Canada, the US, and Mexico.

    "Hahai nō ka ua i ka ululā'au" -- Hawaiian proverb.

    John Boehner? The sleaze bucket who hands out bribes from big tobacco on the House floor?

    by Nulwee on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 10:47:33 PM PST

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    •  But if you really want to win the fucking (5+ / 0-)

      pissing contest, than have at it and dazzle us all with your facts. I'm done with you. You really don't get it and your incredible arrogance to come here and diminish the reality or our experience is awesomely hubristic.

      "Hahai nō ka ua i ka ululā'au" -- Hawaiian proverb.

      John Boehner? The sleaze bucket who hands out bribes from big tobacco on the House floor?

      by Nulwee on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 10:48:56 PM PST

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    •  Oh yeah, last I checked, the genocide of Jews (9+ / 0-)

      is actually taught as an openly discussed fact in US history classes. Whose isn't, again?

      "Hahai nō ka ua i ka ululā'au" -- Hawaiian proverb.

      John Boehner? The sleaze bucket who hands out bribes from big tobacco on the House floor?

      by Nulwee on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 10:49:49 PM PST

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      •  Most college history classes (1+ / 0-)
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        and some high school level classes have been using Howard Zinns, A Peoples History of the United States....which clearly states in bold detail the genocidal actions taken by our government towards the Native American Indians.....yesterday and today.....

        I could suggest you read this truthful detailed account of this genocide....

        The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/whoarethe1percent/

        by Mindmover on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 11:15:53 PM PST

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        •  I could suggest that you stop being dickish. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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          by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 12:13:29 AM PST

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          •  I know that dickish is name calling (0+ / 0-)

            and that is verbotten on DKOS....

            this is a truthful statement that I made and if that is dickish then I am guilty and I apologize....

            The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/whoarethe1percent/

            by Mindmover on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 01:00:21 AM PST

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            •  Here, I'll be more blunt: you're a dick. (3+ / 0-)

              Name-calling on DK? Verboten? Nope. You haven't been here very long, have you, sport?

              Quite frankly, I think the last time someone used 'dick' in a rather high profile manner, it was the PROPRIETOR of this site, who told people NOT to be dicks.

              Because while name-calling isn't really verboten on DK, being a dick is.

              It's a fine line. I leave it to you to figure it out.

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              by Corporate Dog on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 06:15:37 AM PST

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        •  Zinn wasn't always used, because it wasn't written (12+ / 0-)

          until  1980. In my high school American history classes in the sixies, genocide was never mentioned. The Trail of Tears got one, maybe two paragraphs. Indians were invited by Pilgrims to Thanksgiving because they had a bountiful harvest. I learned what really happened from my grandmother and uncles.

          When I was Community College, in 81, Zinn's book wasn't used. Oddly, we used the book I had in my junior year in high school. Depressing.

          I finally got my hands on Zinn's book in 1982. It validated every thing my family told me, and it was finally going to be taught to others.

          My family knows all to well about what the government did, and is still doing. I agree wholeheartedly with Nulwee. I know what I know because I have seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my ears. The bigotry is real. The hate is real. Have you ever been to a powwow where the local neo-nazis take their truck and move downhill and do war woops and yell "is Tonto in there?" Fortunately they were quickly run off by security.

          Some Native Americans are still on reservations, often in areas miles away from things like shopping, entertainment and good paying jobs.  The live in subpar housing, unreliable electricity, poor water supply. Out of site, out of mind. America's version of  apartheid.

          Zinn wrote about history - my father's side of the family experienced it in real life.

           

          The status quo sucks. George Carlin

          by Rogneid on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 07:30:00 AM PST

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          •  Public education from 1963 to 1975 (5+ / 0-)

            in NYC and NJ, and not a word about Native American history. I was lucky my dad loved history and deeply respected native peoples, or I wouldn't have learned a thing. Instead, he gave me books like Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and God is Red, and let me know about the lies in my classroom history books.

            As an American Jew who is well aware of my own family's history and personal experience in this country, and despite some prejudice and bigotry, and occasional discrimination, we have it so much easier than so many other folks around here, especially the Native Americans. There is no comparison. Compared to Europe, the US has been a blessing for us.

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            by asterkitty on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 10:15:59 AM PST

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        •  And you know that because? (0+ / 0-)

          Would you mind presenting us with facts on this?

          I REALLY hate it when assholes come in to these diaries and try to diminish the racism experienced by American Indians and Native Alaskans by basically changing the subject.

          I am highly suspecting your motives here.

      •  maybe another one of the reasons (0+ / 0-)

        it is taught and openly discussed in history classes is due to the recent nature (1930s and 40s) of these horrific acts and the sheer magnitude of the numbers of people......in the millions, some say 7 million and others say over 10 million....

        Whereas the numbers related to Native American Indian Massacres ended in 1911 and amounted to less than 10,000...

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        and I am not trying to minimize in any way your pain or anger or hatred for us whities.....we are guilty as charged.....

        The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/whoarethe1percent/

        by Mindmover on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 11:40:38 PM PST

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        •  Your facts are wrong and this is not the place (14+ / 0-)

          for you to post them, even if you were correct.

          The numbers of indigenous peoples killed off by the European invasions starting in 1492 are in the millions.  Land-clearing genocide across two continents.

          If this is truly your goal:

          and I am not trying to minimize in any way your pain or anger or hatred for us whities

          you'll stop your entire line of commentary on this particular subject in this diary.  If you have a great urge to espouse how we should feel, please write your own diary.

          And by the way "whities" ??? - trying to spark something else with that one?  

          What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

          by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 12:07:11 AM PST

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          •  Maybe you could correct the (0+ / 0-)

            wiki article and author....they are not my facts....

            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            I apologize for the typo....whites, not whities....

            I believe when all comments are read, one side has been accusatory and the other trying to have a conversation....

            but then a conversation with a prejudiced white man.....

            espousing how you should feel....wow, that is quite the accusation...I really do not have an answer for that one....

            The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/whoarethe1percent/

            by Mindmover on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 12:54:18 AM PST

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            •  hahahaha, your link is so funny..... (1+ / 0-)
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              First line:

              This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness.

              What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

              by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 11:52:56 AM PST

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        •  Nonsense. More than 30,000 Indians... (29+ / 0-)

          ...of more than 100 tribes were killed in California alone between 1848 and 1870, many of them murdered to collect the state-passed bounty of 25 cents (later $5) for each Indian scalp, The law was not repealed until 1907.

          The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

          by Meteor Blades on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 01:17:38 AM PST

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        •  what? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'll be polite and simply suggest you read 1491. 10,000? Um, no. 1 out of every six people LIVING ON EARTH AT THE TIME likely died when the Europeans first came to these continents.

          "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" -Prof. Farnsworth "I prefer to be a total bitch about my science"--me

          by terrypinder on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 10:38:30 AM PST

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        •  no, has nothing to do with that, time is not the (0+ / 0-)

          factor, guilt is. The Jew's holocaust is discussed openly in the US, because it wasn't the US, who engaged in the genocide, au contraire the US feels good about having saved many Jews with their victory in defeating the Nazi regime.

          But when it comes to racism in their own home country, the US, against their Native Americans citizens, it's another story. Being reminded of their own slow-motion genocidal racism isn't that good. Better not speak about it. and teach about it.

          And after all, "it's all history now"... right? Yeah ... no, it's not history and it's not over. And it's not right.

    •  You fell into Mindmover's trap (15+ / 0-)

      the moment he baited you into arguing which ethnic group was a greater target of racism than another.

      That's an argument that nobody should have because nobody can win it.

      In the end, the measure of racism oughtn't be relative to other racism. What happened and is happening to America's First Peoples is unconscionable, regardless of what has happened or is happening to anyone else.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 07:48:43 AM PST

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