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  •  Who needs to grow up? I don't think the cops are (2+ / 0-)
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    dark daze, jpmassar

    acting like children, more like arrogant bullies who are thrilled at the chance to use their expensive new toys. The three victims I've heard about weren't hurt playing checkers or tag, they were viciously beaten.

    It's true. Change will not come without pain. If you don't want to participate, move your money to Chase or Citibank and STFU.

    .Meanwhile, OO itself is focusing a lot of energy engaging in largely academic debates on defining violence, defining acceptable tactics, and defining what it means to be inclusive, all while serving to exclude community members who have pretty clear ideas on these things.  99% of the 99% don't think smashing windows, taunting police officers and setting fires is a good idea.  

    It is a developing movement. If those "who have pretty clear ideas on these things" are so wise, where the FUCK have they been for the last 30 years?

    Its really not a difficult concept.

    How very patronizing of you.

    •  Everyone (3+ / 0-)
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      Caipirinha, SwedishJewfish, jpmassar

      Like I said, everyone needs to take a deep breath and start listening to each other.

      I do want to participate, and have been.  I've donated money and supplies to OO, got teargassed in the march following the first eviction, participated in the General Strike and have voted in General Assemblies.

      Certainly the police have been acting like bullies, I didn't say as much but I didn't say otherwise.  I also think their behavior has been childish, writing an open letter to the community airing their political grievances with the mayor and expressing no regret or accountability for they've handled their own department.  

      As for change coming with pain?  Sure.  But smashing the windows of community banks and other businesses who had closed down in solidarity with a general strike?  That's counterproductive.  

      Any movement's greatest strength is its power in numbers, and alienating a large number of people by refusing to renounce the destruction they're seeing in their own communities is also counterproductive. Many people at OO recognize this, but collectively have been unable to come to consensus.

      I appreciate your thoughts on all of this but I'd appreciate if you'd express them with a little less vitriol.

    •  Wow (1+ / 0-)
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      what a rude response to someone sharing her perfectly reasonable and legitimate concerns.

      And no, the idea that you don't destroy other peoples shit is not a difficult concept. Even my 4 year old knows better than that.

      R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
      October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

      by SwedishJewfish on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 06:26:30 PM PST

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