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  •  Warren Olney has always been a right-wing toad (27+ / 0-)

    His shows are the worst ever- always stacked with Heritage, AEI and Cato shills.

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    by Karl Rover on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:32:02 AM PST

    •  Thanks - somehow missed your info before (8+ / 0-)

      I posted my question.  That clarifies things a lot.

    •  Sorry, that's bullshit (3+ / 0-)
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      Sure, he always has conservative shills on -- but as part of a two-or-more sided DISCUSSION.  Olney's always been a real journalist.  

      •  Apparently his journalistic training failed him (17+ / 0-)

        perhaps due to a blind spot known as homophobia, if he can't see how far he strayed from good journalism on this topic. A position his statement defending the piece makes clear.

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        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:27:36 AM PST

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        •  Show me evidence of his homophobia (1+ / 0-)
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          In all the years I've listened to him there's been NONE.  If you'll notice, he chose to highlight the actual CONTENT of the show as his rebuttal.  But have you listened to that before deciding he's a homophobe?  

          No?  

          Believe it or not, sometimes people just make mistakes.  

          •  I meant "have you listened to the show itself". (1+ / 0-)
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            •  I just did! (4+ / 0-)

              Let me tell you that the correlation of pedophilia and gay adoption that Warren Olney presented was offensive.  My body froze; I actually tensed-up when the transition occurred from a conversation about Sandusky's reputation within the State College community as a suspected pedophilie to gay adoptions and foster care.  There was NO basis for the transition. There was no explanation why a conversation on gay adoptions would be correlated to Sandusky's pedophilia.  The transition occurred as a seamless, normal discussion of pedophilia.  
              I will tell you that I found the discussion of gay adoptions to be a postive one, but how is it justifiable to have such a discussion in correlation to pedophilia?  It is disappointing that such a correlation occurred.  It is disappointing that you defend it!  

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              by ChiTownDenny on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:12:16 PM PST

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              •  I'm disappointed too! (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't condone or defend the 'correlation'.  It was sloppy and dumb.  What I reject is the notion that this marks Olney as a right wing tool or homophobe, when based on my knowledge of him and his show for the past twenty years is NOT TRUE, and I think you'd agree that the content of the show you listened to proves that.  

                It's not the stupid hook I'm defending, it's the idea that it's any more than an ill-thought out and presented hook for the show which you yourself have already said was a positive discussion.  

                That's all.  

          •  that is one hell of a "people just make mistakes" (9+ / 0-)

            Just sayin'.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:47:03 AM PST

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            •  And of course... (7+ / 0-)

              The 'just makes mistakes" ends up slurring gays. There's about zero chance his mistakes will target straights.

            •  ummm...there are way way worse ones. just sayin'. (0+ / 0-)
              •  if you want to race to the bottom (8+ / 0-)

                be my guest.  But this was not cool and frankly uncalled for.  It's just another attempt to dehumanize GLBT people.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:47:44 AM PST

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                •  If you want to see at as an 'attempt' rather than (0+ / 0-)

                  a mistake without reviewing the facts, then there's nothing I can say other than if you haven't listened to the show or the guy then you can't say with certainty that he's a homophobe bent on hurting you.  If you don't really care to know whether that's really the case, then that's your issue.  

                  •  I'm not gay. I just know bullshit when I hear it. (9+ / 0-)

                    And that was some bullshit.

                    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                    by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:14:32 PM PST

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                    •  like I said (0+ / 0-)

                      If you don't care to know whether it really is bullshit or not, that's your issue, gay or not.  

                      •  you are just going to keep doubling down on this (7+ / 0-)

                        aren't you?

                        The man f'ed up bigtime.  Whether it was a single time gaffe or one of a string -  it's not a little thing.  It says something about him and his character - and it STINKS.

                        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                        by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:23:57 PM PST

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                        •  And I like the way (2+ / 0-)
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                          Mr. "Have you listened to the show itself?" went all "show me the evidence" and saying "with certainty he's a homophobe" over the diarist's comment above while totally failing to carefully read the comment itself! Clark said " perhaps due to a blind spot known as homophobia..." As a gay man, I often think that homophobia is at play when confronted with the type of shit that was featured in this diary. But when I'm not certain that is the case, like clark, I merely say perhaps it played a role. Apparently that is enough to provoke the sad and moronic overreaction you have been responding to, mortify'd.

                          •  There are lots of people who are good progressives (1+ / 0-)
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                            on many or most issues who seem to have blind spots specifically on LGBT topics. Are we not allowed to discuss why that might be?

                            Can we not ask if there is an elephant in the living room?

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:52:03 PM PST

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                          •  no argument there. (0+ / 0-)

                            But if you ask, and someone says, 'I've seen elephants, and I don't think that's an elephant -- I know it may look like one, but just take another look', well, maybe that person has a point.

                            It's just as easy to take a look as it is to say someone's 'moronically overreacting'.  

                          •  he's been confronted, his statement (6+ / 0-)

                            that the offended are "confused" followed GLAAD reaching out to him. He still isn't sorry.

                            He now has the opportunity to avail himself of the resources at GLAAD and other orgs to educate himself so he doesn't make any collosal errors like this in the future.

                            Whether he enbraces the opportunity to learn and grow or not will be informative, I think. We'll see.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:19:34 PM PST

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                          •  I missed the "perhaps" (0+ / 0-)

                            but caught the other few thousand words, thank you very much.  

                            Give me a break...

                          •  Well, in the comment by clark above (2+ / 0-)
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                            to which you were responding, there weren't a "few thousand" words, only thirty eight and one of the operative ones was perhaps. Nowhere in that comment, or for that matter, the entire diary does clark call Olney a homophobe. Being an outright homophobe and setting up insensitive false equivalencies while perhaps being unconsciously influenced by society's institutionalized homophobia are two different things. Give us all a break...

                          •  Is all this silly parsing necessary??? (0+ / 0-)

                            There were thousands of words in the original post BEFORE the perhaps.  I had been responding to clark well before the 38 word "perhaps"post (thanks for counting btw) and he had made it abundantly clear that he felt Olney's behavior was homophobic or at least homophobe-enabling even if he never said Olney himself was outright.  He was NOT pitching it as a guy who may have been 'unconsciousy influenced', and everyone here knows that.  One little tiny "perhaps" doesn't really balance all the other stuff when it comes pretty far after the fact.      

                            Is all this parsing really necessary?  Is there really any doubt about the issues here?  

                          •  Well, with this, there is certainly (2+ / 0-)
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                            no doubt about your furious backpedaling from your "show me the evidence" that he is a homophobe in your comment above. Look, we all get that Olney is someone you admire. That's fine. So, it is not "silly parsing" to help you understand that Olney is not being called a homophobe by clark. You are correct to point out that clark is saying that Olney's unfortunate presentation of these two non-related topics (i.e., the PSU pedophile scandal and gay adoption) is homophobe-enabling, because it is homophobe-enabling. That is borne out by the hate-mongering "expert" he chose to speak to the false equivalency that Olney insensitively set forth. There is no doubt about that issue. None of that indicates that clark is calling Olney a homophobe, for which YOU demanded that he produce evidence. It was your overreaction that began this exchange. Elsewhere in your comments, you "agreed" with clark that Olney should apologize. For what? People say homophobic things all the time. Some even set up situations which harm LGBT people, unintentionally, but also unintelligently. Some other people, because their ox is gored, accuse diarists of things they are not actually saying, parsed or otherwise. There is no doubt about that issue either.

                  •  rather than discredit yourself (10+ / 0-)

                    By arguing what he did was OK, I think your energy would be better spent throwing Onley a rope to pull himself out of the hole he dug himself into.

                    Write him, tell him you listen to him, admire him, think he's a good guy, and now he needs to act like a good guy, admit his mistake, apolgize and make some admends.

                    Report the truth of LGBT families and the truth of the hate group he hosted would be a good start.

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                    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:21:30 PM PST

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                    •  I'm not arguing (0+ / 0-)

                      that what he did was ok!  All i'm saying is that it didn't occur in a vacuum, and maybe you should know more about him before condemning him completely.  

                      Sure, press him on this.  Demand an apology or a explanation (which, as I've posted elsewhere, he's already agreed to do on the air as well as host listener comment on the issue.)

                      My only point all along has been, before condemning someone outright, check them out a bit.  

                      •  I haven't "condemned him completely" (2+ / 0-)
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                        Please acknowledge this fact. You can find no examples of my words to back up this accusation.

                        My post is entirely focused on the content of his show and the very poor editorial choices he made that made it indistinguishable from a Fox News or World Nut Daily story on LGBT issues.

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                        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:34:15 PM PST

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                        •  Figure of speech (0+ / 0-)

                          not directly aimed at you, more at posters here in a general sense, so no, you haven't 'condemned him completely', and apologies for inferring that you had.  

                          And again, as corroborated by other posters here, if you really  think the content of his show rather than the 'hook' is at issue, then I urge you to actually listen to the show itself if you already haven't.  

                          I wouldn't spend all this time defending the guy if I didn't think he was a good journalist.  Really.  

                          •  The "hook" is the content (1+ / 0-)
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                            He created the hook of "Some married straight guy raped some children at Penn State, hey, let's talk about the gays!"

                            It is but one of his very stupid editorial choices.

                            You seem to understand nothing of dog whistle rhetoric and are entirely focused on your faith in his inherent good character.

                            That he is fundamentally a nice guy will be cold comfort to people gay-bashed because "the child molesting homos had it coming." This is a stereotype Olney did an excellent job reinforcing, intentionally or not, whether by malice or collosal stupidity.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:43:10 PM PST

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                          •  Not that it really matters anymore (0+ / 0-)

                            But you could actually just listen to the show.  

                          •  And you could listen to the legions (0+ / 0-)

                            of people who were hurt and offended by his sloppy inflammatory yellow journalism on Friday.

                            Neither of us should hold our breath.

                            I don't want to listen to Christian Dominionists like Jerry Cox spout their bigotry unchallenged on Fox. Why would I want to hear it on public radio?

                            One show was plenty. Several of my gay friends in LA have decided they've heard the last of him, after enjoying him in the past.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:11:59 PM PST

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                          •  Because it doesn't go unchallenged!!! (0+ / 0-)

                            That's what you just won't listen to!  There's actual debate and discussion on the show!  

                            You just don't want to accept that for some reason. And now I understand you're just not interested in learning more.  

                            I won't darken your doorstep any more.  

                          •  The show in question was awful. (2+ / 0-)
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                            I listened to it.

                            I don't care how many good shows he did, this was 100% shameful derogatory indefensible bullshit crap.

                            It's like arguing to forgive the drunk driver because, well, every OTHER night this year he made it home from the bar without running someone over.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:42:51 PM PST

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                          •  You just don't quit, do you? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Warren Olney stepped in it with this insulting, repulsive hook.

                            But you, you're rolling in it.

                            Want more smartass? Read my blog. http://phoenix-rising-reports.blogspot.com/

                            by PhoenixRising on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:48:17 PM PST

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              •  well, enumerate them (2+ / 0-)
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                He's not Pat Robertson or Virginia Foxx or Mike Huckabee?

                Maybe not, but they are definitely raising a glass of toast to Warren tonight.

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                by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:48:28 PM PST

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          •  Sorry... (13+ / 0-)

            But if he's such a responsible "journalist", wouldn't it have behooved him to assemble a panel of-- oh, I don't know-- actual experts in the issues at hand?

            Jerry Cox's expertise is in hating LGBTQE citizens. Other than at Liberty University, is there an actual major being offered in Hatin' Teh Gheyz at any accredited US college or university?!

            He's proven himself to be a hater. In ignorance or consciously, it doesn't matter. The damage is done.

            He has tied LGBTQE people to pedophilia in his listeners' minds. Which is something that the media have done for decades and decades. Remember those lovely Health films from the 1950s warning about strangers in Fords with candy...?

            Even given the evidence (cited above) that LGBTQE people are LESS likely to sexually assault children than straight people, the lie continues.

            Warren Ulney broadcast lies that any fool would know could be used against us to deny children loving foster and/or adoptive parents. And he must pay.

            -8.75,-8.00. "Liberal" ain't a dirty word. "Indifferent" IS. Our enemies want us dead. WE WILL VANQUISH THEM.

            by CajunBoyLgb on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:00:37 AM PST

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            •  http://www.pri.org/to-the-point.html (0+ / 0-)

              There it is.  Give a listen and see if he's 'proven himself to be a hater'.  

              •  The issues of sex abuse and foster care are (3+ / 0-)
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                of course legitimate, but lumping in foster care by gays isn't - except to either specifically address anti-gay stereotypes or to reinforce those stereotypes.    On balance, it did far more harm than good.   My impression is that while the host might not be a homophobe, he exercised very poor judgment in moderating the dialog and structuring the program.    The relevant section goes from 21:45 through 44:30.

                Senary Grant of LA County foster care did rebut Jerry Cox's homophobic argument, but the entire treatment was the way the press treats climate change - as if there are two legitimate sides to the debate.    No one pointed out that all of Cox's arguments have no support whatsoever in the statistics or in the science, and have been thoroughly debunked.

                Cox's main point was that only straight married couples should raise children, based on "common sense, thousands of years of history, etc" (all the usual arguments of bigots)..........but Cox didn't recognize the irony that the guy who was raping kids at Penn state is in a heterosexual marriage and has fostered or adopted a number of children.

          •  I get it. (11+ / 0-)

            He's a great guy other than running a story that was blatantly homophobic, filled with lies, liars and misinformation, and pretty universally offended every LGBT person in the country, and has attracted the attention and condemnation of every major LGBT advocacy group.

            Warren will thank you for your support (the LGBT community, not so much). Onley is going to need it.

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            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:02:13 AM PST

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      •  Agree. Although I didn't hear this program (2+ / 0-)
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        I find Olney tackles many difficult national and international economic and political issues with informed guests.  

        He usually does present opposing views, and so does Neal Cohen on TOTN.

        NPR is going to great lengths to prove they are not liberal, as people often claim.

        That said, this juxtaposition of pedophilia and LGBT sexual orientation is despicable.

      •  I think you kind of shot yourself down (4+ / 0-)
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        Sure, he always has conservative shills on

        The two or more sided discussion almost never seems to include the progressive side, and Olney makes it pretty clear which side he's on.

        A man, a plan, a canal, Panama

        by Karl Rover on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:59:01 AM PST

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      •  Because it's just common sense that pedophilia (10+ / 0-)

        and adoption by gay couples are closely related topics, right?    How could anyone think that's anything but good journalism?

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