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  •  well, that's not a very plausible alternate (9+ / 0-)

    history.

    1) The allies would not have turned on Stalin.  They were exhausted from the defeat of Germany, and don't forget that even after Germany surrendered Japan hung on, and defeating Japan was the priority.

    2) There were already hundreds of thousands of Jews in Palestine by the end of WW2.  Under your scenario they would have been stranded, and probably would not have easily given up the Zionist project.

    3) Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people, and Jews have more of a claim and more attachment to Israel than they would have had to some piece of Khazakstan or wherever.

    4) Interestingly, the Soviets did try to make a Jewish homeland within Soviet territory, Birobidzhan.  It didn't work, because surprise, nobody wanted to move to some Siberian wasteland.  

    •  "I never claimed to be an historian":-) (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, clearly I'm ignorant of some of the core implications of most of that history.

      Yes I understand about the course of WW2.

      I've heard about Jews in Palestine at the end of WW2, but they could have migrated rather than being stranded.  

      Yes I understand the emotional and cultural ties of Jews to that part of the middle east that has become the nation of Israel.  

      Though, Americans and Australians who started out as English were certainly attached to England before they went elsewhere.  A third of the American colonists sided with the British during the Revolutionary War, for example.  

      Though, as for Siberia, with another degree Celsius of global climate change, it will probably become a temperate paradise.

      And on the other hand, the US could have given them Alaska!  Sheesh!, what an obvious solution.  Here we have a huge state that's cut off from the continental US by being on the other side of Canada.  You can't drive there or take a train there without crossing an international border twice.  May as well make it an independent nation, along with Hawaii, which should be returned to the native Hawaiians, some of whom I understand mightily resent the white invaders and with good reason.

      Alaska has turned out to be a very productive place, plus or minus its occasional mistakes such as you-know-who, who isn't running for President any more (or so she says).  

      Perhaps in the end this is just another example of the psychology of real estate.  As for example with people who spend half a million bucks for a house in San Francisco where the square footage is 25% stairways, rather than living in Oakland for half the price and not having to climb a flight to get to their front door and another to get to the kitchen and yet another to get to the bathroom.  

      "Honey, I just love that house, we should buy it!"

      "But it's tiny!  It only has one tiny bedroom, and we're planning to have a kid and adopt two more kids: there isn't even another room to put all three of them in!"

      "Yes, but it's such a lovely house, in a lovely neighborhood!  You know what they say: location, location, location!"

      "Oh, alright.  We'll tear up the patio for a garden, and build a tree-house for the kids' bedroom."

      "Wonderful!  I knew you'd come around..."

      "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:08:34 PM PST

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