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  •  100% agree! (9+ / 0-)

    Cataclysmically massive overpopulation of humans is responsible for almost all of the grand problems we face. As much as our paleolithic metabolism and physiology combines with grain-centric diets to create obese and sick humans, our pugnacity, acquisitiveness, and sex drive are also tuned to the rigors and high mortality of a paleolithic world - but when combined with modern medicine and lack of predation, leads to explosive population growth.

    Ironically, the human condition is just a manifested expression of our primitive survival instincts, and instincts trump all reason.

    To have any chance of survival, we are literally going to have to find a way to deliberately evolve our genetic foundation to proactively adapt to the modern world and if possible reprogram our instincts to create a holistic predisposition towards sustainability. Otherwise, nature will simply take its course, and if we kill ourselves off by destroying our environment, then so be it - and some other life form will take our place through the dispassionate and unrelenting force of natural selection, indifferent to whether we had ever existed at all.

    There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
    I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

    by Reality Bites Back on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 03:21:06 PM PST

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    •  Wow (8+ / 0-)

      So we didn't face any problems as a species before our population got so big?

      Your comment really baffles me. You think our problems are built into our genes? I ask you, how many millions of people, worldwide, have been pushing to change our energy to sustainable, green sources like solar and wind? How many millions of people, worldwide, are concerned about global warming? I would say that there are many, many people out there concerned about these issues. Are those people just constituted of different genetic material?

      We don't need to change our genes; we need to change our leaders and our political system. We need a social revolution, not a genetic revolution.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 03:38:16 PM PST

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      •  Wow (6+ / 0-)

        You actually think the world can sustain a 7 billion + human population constantly trying to increase their standard of living? Or 12 billion? Or 20 billion?

        You think western societies are willing to live on $2 a day to make the world sustainable? You think people living on $2 a day are willing to stop slashing and burning an acre of rain forest a second to survive?

        We're literally converting the mass of the earth and every living species into human biomass and waste products.

        I don't know how much world traveling you've done, but where the masses are - where I've been in China and India and Africa and South America, most people are very uneducated, know almost nothing about global warming or even basic science. Life is far more day to day - not wrapped up in geopolitics or even their local politics. Even traveling around America, the average person's ignorance is astounding. Sure there may be many millions who are educated and fighting for what is right - bit in a world of many billions, that's still 1 in a 1,000.

        There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
        I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

        by Reality Bites Back on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 04:39:49 PM PST

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          You actually think the world can sustain a 7 billion + human population constantly trying to increase their standard of living? Or 12 billion? Or 20 billion?

          I don't believe that, and it is fortunate for me that I did not say that either.

          But I do feel a need to push back against people who say that all of our globe's problems are traceable to overpopulation, because I simply do not think that is true. After all, it is the USA, a country that is not by any stretch of the imagination overpopulated, that is causing a lot of problems for other countries around the world. It is our rapacious capitalist system, presided over by a legion of greedy plutocrats, that is causing a lot of these problems, from refusing to retool our economy to use less carbon to  pillaging nations around the world.

          Also, I agree with your last point there about education around the world, but I fail to see what that has to do with changing peoples' genes. You're the person who brought up that we need to change the constitution of peoples' genes in order to solve this problem. But genes don't have anything to do with education. I agree that we need much more education. That's a matter of institutions and money, not genes.

          I don't think our instincts are the problem. The vast majority of people around the world are not really doing their part to make things worse, especially in those parts of the world that are facing population pressure. It is a small number of capitalists who are doing most of the damage.

          "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

          by Lost Left Coaster on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 05:15:27 PM PST

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      •  And yes - we did face serious problems as a (1+ / 0-)
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        species in the past - but now take those problems and multiply them by 1,000 - and beyond the capacity of our tiny biosphere.

        Your body is teeming with deadly microorganisms right now. Your immune system can handle them. But multiply the population of any of those organisms a thousand fold or more, and then what happens to you?

        We are top predators, and we have made ourselves in the numbers of prolific grazers. It's as if you increased the lion population of Africa so there were as many lions as wildebeest. How would that impact the African ecosystem - and the lion population? They would ravage everything and most of them would die off. And if they completely consumed their resources, they would go extinct.

        There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
        I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

        by Reality Bites Back on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 04:51:03 PM PST

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      •  We need both.... (0+ / 0-)

        We do not have to have a politician do one damn thing to stop driving SUVs and pick-ups.  Rational, caring people could make that choice today - millions of them could have made the choice decades ago, but they didn't.  We didn't have to swell the earth's population to 7 billion - but how many women do you know who chose not to reproduce?  We won't ever have the leaders and political system we need to change things because the people who vote and establish political systems get what they collectively want.

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