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  •  I'm glad we had the CHOICE (2+ / 0-)
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    whether or not to "reproduce".   Of course, it's because we "have this attitude" that we chose not to have children.   We believe that all children should be wanted.  

    We believe that there are currently more than enough children in the world that need care.   We don't need any more.  Not for the foreseeable future.

    •  No reason (0+ / 0-)

      No reason you should have children if you don't want them and of course no one should be forced to have children (though I don't know how many people are in that position).
      It's the sanctimoniousness of people who don't have children and look down on those who do as if they are committing a crime against Mother Earth for daring to do so that make me roll my eyes. I'm hoping to have at least three and would have more if I could afford it.

      I am Zornorph; the one who comes by night to the neighbor's yard.

      by Zornorph on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 03:30:11 PM PST

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      •  People are often "forced" to have children (2+ / 0-)
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        these days, with access to pregnancy termination and family planning being made ever more inaccessible to more and more people.   Just sayin'.

        I will say straight out that as adorable as I find all the little kids around me at restaurants and malls and grocery stores, when I see parents with more than two children, I feel resentful of how much space they are taking up on this planet of diminishing resources.  Get a clue.

        •  Clueless (0+ / 0-)

          Children are a blessing. If all you see when you see a family with more than two children is something to resent, you must be one miserable human being.

          I am Zornorph; the one who comes by night to the neighbor's yard.

          by Zornorph on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 06:01:38 PM PST

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          •  No doubt all those who have (0+ / 0-)

            more than two children per couple, and indeed, all the children of those children will very likely be miserable human beings on this over-populated planet.    You oughta think about that before you start adding progeny.

            •  Go read (0+ / 0-)

              Go read some more Malthusian fables. I believe that my children and grandchildren will live in a wonderful world. The world is a very big place and there's still lots and lots of room.

              I am Zornorph; the one who comes by night to the neighbor's yard.

              by Zornorph on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 07:12:33 PM PST

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              •  Lots of room, yes (1+ / 0-)
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                But ever-diminishing resources to support human life.  Like water.   And inhabitable land surfaces, especially if climate changes make formerly habitable areas inhospitable for humans.   Also, the ability to produce food for all the humans on the planet may be also greatly diminished by climate changes.  

                So you see, it's a circular problem.  The more the population of humans expands, the more we are using up the quality of life on this planet for those humans.   Just because there's "lots and lots of room" doesn't mean that all of it will be inhabitable in coming decades, especially because of over-population.

                But I strongly suspect that Nature will take care of our out-of-control breeding as a species.   It's likely that new viruses will be mutated by climate change also, or very old ones will be released from thawed permafrost all over the planet, and we may be wiped out by many millions eventually.  

                Like I said, I'm very glad I don't have any children or grandchildren to worry about their future and future quality of life.

          •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

            Just thinking that I can use more and more resources without guilt.

            If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world at all . . . Barry Ritholtz.

            by Fossil on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 05:11:08 PM PST

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      •  Three high-carbon footprint consumers? (0+ / 0-)

        Good luck with that.  I'd love to use enough carbon for three lifetimes.

        If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world at all . . . Barry Ritholtz.

        by Fossil on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 05:09:48 PM PST

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