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  •  sure (7+ / 0-)

    However, we live in the US - we will stop climate change here or nowhere.

    We produce plenty of greenhouse gases - our per capita rate is among the highest of any nation. We are over three times higher than China.

    China is going great guns with renewables.

    A sufficiently motivated USA may even have some leverage over China via trade, etc.

    And perhaps China (along with the rest of the world) will be more motivated to change policy if they see the US doing so.

    To excuse inaction by pointing at China is not a winning strategy.

    Here I am! I'm up here! Where are you? - the Red-eyed Vireo

    by mightymouse on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 08:00:43 PM PST

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    •  "we will stop climate change here or nowhere" (3+ / 0-)
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      We can't stop it here if China double or triples their coal burning by 2030 .

      To excuse inaction by pointing at China is not a winning strategy.
      If we in the U.S. go to zero , that will not fix the problem if China does as it plans to do .
      The country’s swift move to becoming
      a thermal coal importer caught many
      market players by surprise in 2008, but
      by the second half of 2011 even miners
      in the United States were casting their
      eyes over a lucrative market that could
      help breathe life back into their industry.
      If we stop burning coal and ship the coal to be burnt there ...

      "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

      by indycam on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 08:09:50 PM PST

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      •  but we don't have jurisdiction over China (5+ / 0-)

        we can stop exporting coal there, along the other things I listed.

        we have plenty here to keep us busy, really.

        China's reduction in emissions is going to have to be done by them.

        I believe that they understand the problem too. However, like we have been for many many years, are now invested in the good things fossil fuels can bring. They too will face a challenge.

        I find it hard to believe they will continue to pollute the world if the other nations actually stop.

        Here I am! I'm up here! Where are you? - the Red-eyed Vireo

        by mightymouse on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 08:15:50 PM PST

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          The U.S. president isn't in control of China .
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          but we don't have jurisdiction over China
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          I find it hard to believe they will continue to pollute the world if the other nations actually stop.
          They are going around and buying up coal .

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/...
          Saturday, 6 February 2010

          Under the deal, the firm will build a new mining complex to give China Power International Development (CPI) 30m tonnes of coal a year for 20 years.

          Analysts say it is further evidence of China's strong demand for resources boosting Australia's economy.

          Most of China's power stations rely on coal - and demand has risen sharply in recent months after a government stimulus programme re-energised its economy.

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 08:23:09 PM PST

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          •  You're not wrong (1+ / 0-)
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            but what's your point? America has control over what it does (one would hope), and can cooperate with other nations to whatever degree they can be induced to cooperate, and can change its trade policies to reflect a dissatisfaction with other nations. But it can't just make China do x, y, or z.
            In any event, however bad China may be in regard to fossil fuel consumption, America has been the odd man out in past discussions of mitigating climate change pollution. Why focus on China as though they're the only nay-sayer in the room?
            If America and other nations stopped buying all of China's cheap currency subsidized goods, China would no longer be burning coal as if there were no tomorrow. Beyond that, vulnerable nations aren't waiting for America's leadership.

            "Who loves not woman, wine, and song remains a fool his whole life long." ~ Martin Luther

            by Andhakari on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 01:44:13 AM PST

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      •  We can't pressure them to stop if we continue (1+ / 0-)
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        to do worse than they do.

        Australia just put in a strong system because it is right although they know they will not have a large effect. But they will be leaders. They will show that doing the right thing doesn't a) kill the economic system or b) bring down the government.

        Can a whole country be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 02:55:47 PM PST

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