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  •  NYT - Yes their theme was predictable (0+ / 0-)

    because it's also obvious.

    The questions are great: is there any limit at all to federal power to compel individual action?

    The way things are going, we will have to edit "land of the free" out of the national anthem.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 06:00:48 AM PST

    •  The individual mandate is one of the major keys (1+ / 0-)
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      toward a public option/single payer. It will require a stiff, sustained push by progressives though.
      It's the admission that a solution to affordable health care is not achievable unless everyone is involved.
      That's pretty much the definition of "public".
      To nationalize the health ins. biz overnight would have created a global depression.
      It will take years of slowly squeezing the industry down to a non-exploitative status until it virtually disappears, or actually does.
      Health care providers should not be allowed to operate on Wall Street.

      •  It's not the only way. (0+ / 0-)

        One could, for example, simply jail chronically ill people and wait for them to die.

        Or, more realistically, impose a tax for government services.

        The individual mandate is an attempt to end-run restrictions on federal power (at least I hope some restriction exists that reflects an improvement over the divine right of kings) while delivering a windfall to health insurance companies.

        That just ain't right.
        If you can't find a constitutional way to do it, maybe it shouldn't be done.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 07:04:26 AM PST

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        •  We shall see if it can be done. I don't like the (0+ / 0-)

          idea of being able to force people to buy insurance, but it is essentially a tax for health care with a deduction for those who buy it on the private market.
          Theoretically it only applies to a relatively few people anyway.
          The further along we get in this debate the closer we'll get to single payer or public option.
          It's going to be a long slog.

          Almost nothing that is a "long slog" really needs to be so. There's usually a simple answer, but it's impossible to get people to agree on it.
          In this case, we need to keep working on improving the system until we get the Wall Street out of it..

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