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  •  "OWS is dead - long live OWS" (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know why so many are coming down hard on this diarist.

    Here's a tactical briefing from the "father" of OWS, Adbuster's' blog:

    Tactical Briefing #18

    Hey you creatives, artists, environmentalists, workers, moms, dads, students, malcontents, do-gooders and aspiring martyrs in the snow:

    The last four months have been hard fought, inspiring and delightfully revolutionary. We brought tents, hunkered down, held our assemblies, and lobbed a meme-bomb that continues to explode the world's imagination. Many of us have never felt so alive. We have fertilized the future with our revolutionary spirit … and a thousand flowers will surely bloom in the coming Spring.

    But as winter approaches an ominous mood could set in … hope thwarted is in danger of turning sour, patience exhausted becoming anger, militant nonviolence losing its allure. It isn't just the mainstream media that says things could get ugly. What shall we do to keep the magic alive?

    Here are a couple of emerging ideas:

    STRATEGY #1: We summon our strength, grit our teeth and hang in there through winter … heroically we sleep in the snow … we impress the world with our determination and guts … and when the cops come, we put our bodies on the line and resist them nonviolently with everything we've got.

    STRATEGY #2: We declare "victory" and throw a party … a festival … a potlatch … a jubilee … a grand gesture to celebrate, commemorate, rejoice in how far we've come, the comrades we've made, the glorious days ahead. Imagine, on a Saturday yet to be announced, perhaps our movement's three month anniversary on December 17, in every #OCCUPY in the world, we reclaim the streets for a weekend of triumphant hilarity and joyous revelry.

    We dance like we've never danced before and invite the world to join us.

    Then we clean up, scale back and most of us go indoors while the die-hards hold the camps. We use the winter to brainstorm, network, build momentum so that we may emerge rejuvenated with fresh tactics, philosophies, and a myriad projects ready to rumble next Spring.

    Whatever we do, let's keep our revolutionary spirit alive … let's never stop living without dead time.

    •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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      I was making a play on "the king is dead, long live the king" thing. Oh well. I think bringing up tactics of non-violence vs some stronger stuff was taken a bit too hard by everyone. I wasn't advocating any of that--just mentioning that, at some point, something like that has to be talked about. For example, boycotts are a form of violence if you really think about it. Many people would be put out of work, would lose health insurance and so on. The current movement is inconveniencing businesses and citizens in many ways--where to we draw the lines? Here everything seems to be in black or white, no sense of nuance or sophistication.

      People here are stunningly conformist--makes me worry if any of them ever take power.

      •  I understood your word play. I also understand (1+ / 0-)
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        that the possibility of violence is a very real threat. We need look no further than the protests in the UK and EU.

        The "enemy" is global and has been at work for over 4 decades. Look at the Global South - they've been "occupying" unnoticed for decades.

        Here's just one of many in the last year:
        Brutal Repression in Honduras Targets Teachers, Popular Resistance

        OWS in the US and Canada are a very recent phenomena.

        The 1% have gone global - they no longer fly any flag. Reforms will no longer work at an individual national level.

        OWS MUST get "thicker" and go global or it will fail. This means joining with the traditional "enemies" of the DKos bunch. We have managed to bridge the Muslim/Christian gap and join arms in solidarity. The same must be done within America.

        Here everything seems to be in black or white, no sense of nuance or sophistication.

        Yep. I used to think that lack of nuance was a right wing trait. I've since learned that it afflicts both sides.
        •  Excellent, I agree with all your points (1+ / 0-)
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          Particularly the globalization of the elites. I was particularly influenced some years ago by Christopher Lasch's book The Revolt of the Elites. He had it right. Only quibble is that it is really the .1% that actually constitute the elite.

          •  It's true about the .1% but that doesn't phrase (1+ / 0-)
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            Truth be told, up until about 2-3 decades ago, many of the current OWS people were part of the global "Elite". In fact, we in the global north got very rich from the very policies that we are now getting a taste of.

      •  Your logic fails here (0+ / 0-)

        Boycotts are not violence, by any stretch of the imagination.
        Losing your job is not violence. Losing your health care is not violence.
        Get a grip.

        You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

        by skohayes on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 05:09:14 PM PST

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        •  As a Canadian I can tell you that losing (0+ / 0-)

          health care is violence.

          Lack of healthcare causes death to hundreds of thousands of people in the US every year despite it's huge GDP.

          What greater violence can you do to a person than kill him? (Yes, we in Canada consider that a form of homicide.)

          •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

            Words mean things.

            1. Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
            2. Strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.

            You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

            by skohayes on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:54:23 AM PST

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            •  Words mean many things. You are using the (0+ / 0-)

              word in a minimalist sense.

              The importance of the concepts of disaster, catastrophe, violence,


              Several terms in the scientific literature about post traumatic stress disorder are used with different meanings in studies conducted by different authors. Words such as trauma, violence, catastrophe, disaster and barbarism are often used vaguely or confusingly, and their meanings change


              Violence may be initially understood according to a minimalist concept (violence as violentia), which is restricted to an act that should meet three conditions: deliberate attitude of the perpetrator, physical force, and destructive intent. Episodic violence corresponds to this concept and is characterized by the fact that it is direct and perpetrated fast and intermittently as an acute insult to a person's well being by means of a dramatic form of violence.

              On the other side, the comprehensive concept (violence as violentia) includes psychic and subjective elements and stresses the victim's perspective. Its standard form is structural violence, an indirect form of violence whose norms are established socially and that is defined as a chronic insult to well being that kills or harms people slowly by continuous deprivation of basic human needs [22,23].

              •  But we aren't talking about (0+ / 0-)

                PTSD in a clinical setting. We're talking about the Occupy movement.

                You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

                by skohayes on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 03:29:26 AM PST

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                •  You obviously did not read the link I supplied (0+ / 0-)

                  I chose it because it had a description of the meaning of the word violence in the sense it was used in this diary.

                  I assumed you would take the trouble to look at the link instead of dismissing it offhand.

                  Footnote references:

                  22.  Buffachi V. Two concepts of violence. Political Studies Review. 2005;3:193–204.
                  doi: 10.1111/j.1478-9299.2005.00023.x.

                  [Note: article requires subscription]

                  The report I linked continues:

                  An example of a comprehensive concept of violence is found in the definition by the World Health Organization (WHO): "Violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or real, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation" [24]. According to the WHO topology, violence may be self-directed, interpersonal or collective, and perpetrated by means of physical, sexual or psychological attacks, deprivation or neglect.

                  The WHO definition validates the concept of violence as an international, and not only local, problem, and prescribes the protection of vulnerable populations. However, the incorporation of the notion of intention adds complexity to this concept because intention is not always identifiable in a violent act [25]. The restriction of this concept to its intentional-actional aspect reduces the chances of considering the merely psychological dimension of some acts of violence, and invalidates the understanding that there are aggressive attitudes that lack a fully violent character [26].

                  The depth and breadth of the WHO definition are adequate to that organization's purposes, which require an ecological model of violence centered on multiple levels. However, when the breadth of what is denoted in a term expands, its descriptive power is retracted [27]. A comprehensive definition expands the use of the term "violence" to situations that result from economic poverty, social alienation, or political repression.

                  BTW, I can assure you that many families and people would suffer PTSD after having to fight for years for health care in the US and then losing everything in the end.

                  Your response is a good example of having a narrow mindset.

    •  I could sign up @ADbusters and post a blog (0+ / 0-)


      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 04:59:46 PM PST

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      •  Sure you can. But you can't sign on as (1+ / 0-)
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        Culture Jammers HQ unless you get more involved with ADbusters.

        Here's the post that started it all. Notice the blogger(s).

        Is America Ripe for a Tahrir Moment

        Hey you rebels, radicals and utopian dreamers out there,

        Our call to #OCCUPYWALLSTREET on September 17 shook up a tsunami of spontaneous enthusiasm. Jammers from all over the nation (and a few Canadians!) have sent word that they will be there. Meanwhile various activist organizers have realized the potential of this event, rolled up their sleeves and gotten to work. While some techies have teamed up to build an indie open source website for organizing carpools to the event (, others are thinking through the logistics of feeding everyone and defending the first days of the occupation. Through it all, a deluge of solidarity messages have been pouring in from Spain, Egypt and elsewhere.

        Will you be there?
        Are you with us? Bring a tent.

        for the wild,
        Culture Jammers HQ

        [Heh heh, heh... What most 'Merkins don't realize is that us Canucks are intending in taking over the US and subjecting it to the indignity of greater banking controls and Universal Healthcare.]

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