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    Words mean things.

    1. Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
    2. Strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.

    You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

    by skohayes on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:54:23 AM PST

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    •  Words mean many things. You are using the (0+ / 0-)

      word in a minimalist sense.

      The importance of the concepts of disaster, catastrophe, violence,


      Several terms in the scientific literature about post traumatic stress disorder are used with different meanings in studies conducted by different authors. Words such as trauma, violence, catastrophe, disaster and barbarism are often used vaguely or confusingly, and their meanings change


      Violence may be initially understood according to a minimalist concept (violence as violentia), which is restricted to an act that should meet three conditions: deliberate attitude of the perpetrator, physical force, and destructive intent. Episodic violence corresponds to this concept and is characterized by the fact that it is direct and perpetrated fast and intermittently as an acute insult to a person's well being by means of a dramatic form of violence.

      On the other side, the comprehensive concept (violence as violentia) includes psychic and subjective elements and stresses the victim's perspective. Its standard form is structural violence, an indirect form of violence whose norms are established socially and that is defined as a chronic insult to well being that kills or harms people slowly by continuous deprivation of basic human needs [22,23].

      •  But we aren't talking about (0+ / 0-)

        PTSD in a clinical setting. We're talking about the Occupy movement.

        You will never know what it’s like to work on a farm until your hands are raw, just so people can have fresh marijuana. Jack Handey

        by skohayes on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 03:29:26 AM PST

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        •  You obviously did not read the link I supplied (0+ / 0-)

          I chose it because it had a description of the meaning of the word violence in the sense it was used in this diary.

          I assumed you would take the trouble to look at the link instead of dismissing it offhand.

          Footnote references:

          22.  Buffachi V. Two concepts of violence. Political Studies Review. 2005;3:193–204.
          doi: 10.1111/j.1478-9299.2005.00023.x.

          [Note: article requires subscription]

          The report I linked continues:

          An example of a comprehensive concept of violence is found in the definition by the World Health Organization (WHO): "Violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or real, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation" [24]. According to the WHO topology, violence may be self-directed, interpersonal or collective, and perpetrated by means of physical, sexual or psychological attacks, deprivation or neglect.

          The WHO definition validates the concept of violence as an international, and not only local, problem, and prescribes the protection of vulnerable populations. However, the incorporation of the notion of intention adds complexity to this concept because intention is not always identifiable in a violent act [25]. The restriction of this concept to its intentional-actional aspect reduces the chances of considering the merely psychological dimension of some acts of violence, and invalidates the understanding that there are aggressive attitudes that lack a fully violent character [26].

          The depth and breadth of the WHO definition are adequate to that organization's purposes, which require an ecological model of violence centered on multiple levels. However, when the breadth of what is denoted in a term expands, its descriptive power is retracted [27]. A comprehensive definition expands the use of the term "violence" to situations that result from economic poverty, social alienation, or political repression.

          BTW, I can assure you that many families and people would suffer PTSD after having to fight for years for health care in the US and then losing everything in the end.

          Your response is a good example of having a narrow mindset.

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