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  •  I remember the "must be seen acting" line (3+ / 0-)
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    Timothy J, vigilant meerkat, Johnny Q

    from last year, when the Dems went out of their way to extend the Bush tax cuts when, yep, all they had to do was nothing at all.

    I also remember it when the Telecom Amnesty issue was live, during the 2008 campaign. Again, the Dems need do nothing.. and yet went out of their way to force a victory into President Bush's hands.

    Now, personally, I see an evil genius in Dems tossing Medicare under the bus ... because current beneficiaries are overwhelmingly (as in 80%+) white, conservative and vote Republican.... I'd handicap the 2012 vote as going 70% GOP, at least, so this is not a constuency Dems can get any worse with, no matter what they do.

    That, and there's no way in hell Republicans will accept the poison pill, even when they've been demanding it aloud for years. Rollbacks would kill them far more than Dems.

    So, it's a free gimme either way.

    And near as I can tell, Pubs are coming back demanding even deeper cuts to entitlements ..AND tax cuts for the rich AND tax increases for everyone else...AND  of course conserving defense spending.

    So... heh. Maybe you got a point.

    As for the default issue - the Dems had it in the bag with a month to go but for some reason wanted to play it to the wire.

    The only notion I can come up with is perhaps aligned with the current stand-off: Repubs are in a bind, either way.. and they passed their chance to throw the country and the planetary economy into chaos. They don't get out of the Super Committee without something heinous happening... unless they can talk the Dems into bailing them out.

    As for why that takes place, perhaps it's the power of optics - giving the Tea Wees all of July to wave a gun at the collective head of the country, openly wondering if, just maybe, they shoot (metaphorically) shoot was great politics in the long run.

    Perhaps more of same here.

    •  extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy (0+ / 0-)

      was the price to pay for (a) keeping the decision out of the hands of the Boehner Congress and (b) extending other tax credits/UI/etc.  The 2012 election solely determines whether they stay or go -- if Dems win and they go, the extra two years (for the rich only) would have cost at most $80 billion in a trillion dollar deficit.  They should go of course, but by numbers alone, it's not the top priority and depending on another set of variables (including any stimulative benefit from the rest of the lame duck deal) the problem might well solve itself.

      Optics are what you make of them -- by taking these stories at face value, you're creating the same optics to which you object.

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 09:34:39 AM PST

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      •  How about the cave on estate taxes? (2+ / 0-)
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        •  part of the same deal, no? (0+ / 0-)

          i remember seeing a chart of the costs of the lame duck deal, and being ok with at least 3/4th of what was being spent or not collected.  Getting a vote on the START treaty matters the most in terms of the long term, anyway, defined as the world after 2013.

          "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

          by Loge on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 10:01:14 AM PST

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